Something that’s has irked me for some time now is how many people latched onto the Atheist movement as an edgy teen but now look back on it in reverence and not shame. This seems to be a common theme in academia and is prevalent even in communities like this one. The lamentation of the “golden-age” of atheism is peak hubris. Dawkins, Hitchens, and crew were deconstructionists of the critical theory variety. Their lives were consumed by the need to disprove God and religion. However these were the shortsighted desires of pseudo-intellectuals, they accomplished nothing productive, and if anything, opened the door for the screaming children that replaced them. I don’t think Dawkins, in his wildest dreams, ever saw his fall come from his own hubris. The intellectual argument over dismantling religion somehow disproving the existence of a god is what fueled the SJWS and their own brand of hubris in the early 2000’s. BTW Dawkins, this is what happens when you remove the “tumor” of religion, you hack. As you see today, Dawkins was swallowed by the stupidity he helped bring about, the Maximilien Robespierre of the modern era, begging for trannies to not cut off his head.
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Atheism has always been cringe. Along with gay rights it’s always just been another weapon for globohomo to batter our doors down. What good did any of those faggots do us in the end? They got the Ten Commandments taken off a few government buildings, they got a few nativity scenes taken down from public property. Great, that was really worth all of the fucking rape-gangs and child drag queens.
In the end Aethism was only allowed to gun any support in the public conscious because it aligned with the faggy one-people-one-race bullshit of the left. Once the ugly dune-coon related questions started popping up they dropped it like a burning potato.
I don't usually talk about this kind of thing - religion is a private thing, generally - but which type of atheism?
The "muh science"-type atheism that seems to have lead directly to this odd worship not of the scientific method (which would also be wrong, it's a tool, not holy scripture) but as science as a shibboleth of My Side and of scientists as the priests of this new religion is as utterly repellent to me as any preacher quoting scripture to justify some act of rank immorality.
The point about being an atheist, at least as I understand it, is to make your own decisions not to be shackled to someone else's irrationalities and biases. All the Internet Atheism crown achieved when it morphed into the "I Fucking Love Science" crowd, apparently, is to change the letterhead on the fucking page.
Church of the flying spaghetti monster style cringe edgelord atheism
And Richard Dawkins "I am literally better than you" atheist elitism
Neither grasp the concept of theology as a freedom from the indirect tyranny of man
Wash your mouth, heathen. I'll have you know I am officially ordained priest, and have my holy colander.
Seriously, it's funny how people engage in some amazing doublethink where it comes to religion: sure, the invisible godlike mass of spaghetti making decisions about the universe and guiding your life is absurd,
but
the invisible bronze-age man who talks using some tablets and/or a burning bush, whose book is forty percent is forty percent superstition, forty percent a sociological guide to a specific type of society, and twenty percent distorted historical record (and zero percent useful information, like germ theory or clean energy) guiding your life and making decisions about the universe makes perfect goddamn sense, don't you question it.
How do you not see this as nothing more then a recolored "true communism has never been attempted"?
Theology has zero basis in physical reality, except what humans do with it, and all people ever do with any sort of power, secular or ecclesiastic, is milk it for personal gain. Theology is nothing more then another instrument of governance, just another form of that "tyranny of man".
The first one, I guess. I don’t really care that much about whether someone believes in God or not but pop culture has pretty much made the Niel Degrasse Tyson/Richard and Mortimer I Fucking Love Science shit into the default position most bugmen normies take now.
Oh yeah, Christopher Hitches was well known for his sterling defense of Islam, which promotes those rape gangs. Good point. I hadn't thought about it because that's wrong.
I love how you're arguing that Atheism did nothing, but also is solely responsible for the rise of Leftism. It's one or the other. Either Atheism did relatively little to the institutions of power, and thus can't have been the explanation for the rise of Leftism into those institutions (this is true); or Atheism had a huge impact on the institutions of power and their seizure by Leftism caused the institutions to be seized by Leftism (utter fiction). It can not be that Atheism had almost no impact on the institutions of power, which allowed Leftism to seize the institutions of power.
I never said Athiests were solely responsible for the rise of leftism, merely that they were one of many tools leftists used to promote their worldview in popular culture.
And sure, Hitchins was one of the few Athiests who actually put his money where his mouth was when it came to Islam, great. It doesn’t change the fact that the new Athiests movement ushered in a lot of gay shit, and that Athiests have been less than useless at combating the rising tide of Muslim encroachment on the west.
Again, the Atheist movement didn't usher in basically anything because it was taken over by Leftists. Leftist had been pushing against western civilization for decades before anyone knew who Richard Dawkins was outside of a Biology Lab.
Apparently the Muslims disagree because they keep shooting us when we say it's okay to draw pictures of Muhammad.
Again. Your problem is Leftism. Not atheism.
But hasn’t popular Athiesm always been pretty anti-conservative?I mean I don’t really know much about Dawkins’ personal politics, I know he’s at least somewhat admitted there’s a link between race and iq, but hasn’t he always been pretty liberal? Athiesm and academia have been pretty closely linked for a while now so if there were ever a time it was co-opted it would have to have been a long time ago.
I think the issue (and you allude to this) is that for most Atheists (of the fedora variety) being an atheist was just a performative means of being against the established Christian tradition and had no actual epistemological basis for their beliefs or lack of belief. So when intersectional wokeism presented itself as not only having a theory and a praxis, but also offered itself to its adherents as a non-theistic religion, they flocked to it because it filled the void where Christianity used to be. And that's because they were never irreligious, but rather specifically anti-Christian.
Hey Giz,
I think Suffer is falling for one of the Left's favourite tricks - appropriating an entire section of society to themselves, so that they and they alone can represent them and further their emancipation - which strangely always involves the 500th attempt to build a communist utopia from the corpses of everybody.
That's because it's typical collectivist strategy to do that.
When parents use religion to make their children's lives miserable, you don't get to be surprised to see them grow up and want to destroy religion.
And like a person who's just snapped and beat up a bully, they won't give a damn about the consequences.
Yes I’m sure it was awful growing up Christian in a first-world white country. Gasp! My parents made me get up early on Sunday! My School made me say the pledge of Allegiance! My heart bleeds.
Not that I’m really wanting to side with the Christian Right on this too much either. If they’d cared more about actually creating a working society and preventing the destruction of the family than they did about banning DOOM and heavy metal music we might not be in this mess.
I'm glad you grew up with parents who weren't retarded. Bad news: you have absolutely no idea how much actual damage people using God as a crutch do, and how they and everyone around them use God to enable abuse. Normally to feed their own Narcissistic tendencies, or to rationalize physical, sexual, or psychological abuse. This kind of thing genuinely happened to people.
And that's actually the fucking problem. You can stand there and say "That's not what a good Christian would do", and that's great, but it's your flock and it's your responsibility to stop that from happening in your community; and you didn't do shit.
When people get abused like that, they ascribe the collectivism they were abused by to that abuse, whether you like it or not. Unfortunately, that also means that their positions are purely reactionary. They can be led from one ideological zealotry to another. I've been complaining about this for... 8 years or so? Atheists that never go through the "Deconversion" process of actually losing all of their magical thinking and spiritual beliefs; can end up just adopting other systems that require magical thinking. Hence why the Atheism+ crowd adopted Marxism; and why they will eventually adopt Liberation Theology.
The biggest problem that Atheism had, but never really understood, is that most atheists have never gone through a deconversion process. They've never actually spent years actually introspectively analyzing their own religious, spiritual, or philosophical ideas; to get to the point where they finally conclude that God does not exist. Instead they just react against "Crockoduck", "You can't explain the tides", and "banana-hand = God".
And to go on with your other point: yes that was the Zenith of Christian Philosophy in the 1990's and 2000's which is exactly why Jordan Peterson is your best bet at the moment; and why when he's talking to professors of religious universities; he looks like he's talking to children; or just to himself.
The Evangelical Movement has pulled all the same stunts on christians as BLM Corporate has on blacks; even down to stealing the donations and buying mansions. That includes the rampant fraud committed by the televangelists and the Megachurch crowd. Apparently Christianity has all but entirely lost the concept of piety and humbleness. The truth is, they were the culture warrior grifters of their day, and they had no desire to fight Communism; no desire to uplift Christianity; and all the desire to make a few bucks on the side.
I don’t disagree with a lot of what you just said. I’m sure there are plenty of shitty parents that use god as a justification for their abuse, just as I’ve seen plenty of shitty parents who didn’t need any such excuse, my point isn’t really a full-throated defense of Christiandom, I think there’s a lot of faggotry involved with the Church that is part of the reason we’re where we are today.
My point was more that the popular atheist movement has been little more than a tool to introduce globohomo faggotry into our society, in the same vein as the media and academia. I’m not saying it’s the only tool or that if you’re an atheist you’re automatically a commie faggot, or that being a Christian automatically makes you immune to such faggotry,I am saying that I fail to see a single benefit that the popular atheist movement has had in the west, and like the OP I think that it’s actually been a detriment as far as back-dooring this bugman, trust the science movement.
I have an idea of what pursuing the alternative has cost our society, and civilization itself.
Even if you discount the evils of communism, which is an explicitly and avowedly atheist ideology that has killed a hundred and twenty million innocent people, you still have the death toll of abortion on the hands of atheism and the irreligious.
So when you say "no idea", yeah I have no idea. I also don't give two shits. I don't care if your daddy spanked you with a Bible, your angsty bullshit doesn't matter to me. Because your ideas are worse than any and everything you try to point to to justify it, and we have the last sixty years of leftist atrocities to show that.
All of your lives put together are not worth the damage you've done to civilization. Not by half. Only the Muslims are worse, and they at least have the distinction of never being part of civilization, so no matter how bad they are at least they aren't traitors.
Such an abjectly ignorant statement. No wonder you're making so little sense.
No thanks, I'm not a crackhead.
Neither do you. Difference is, your ideas observably destroy society. They are, at worst, just more Protestant heretics.
Bingo. In the 90's, christian boomers were committing actual emotional abuse on a massive scale, and nobody did jack shit.
Mmmmm no, you do not grasp the magnitude of the situation.
The behaviors I saw from some of those parents was genuine emotional (and in quite a few cases, physical) abuse. Like, you don't even know.
And it weren't the fukkin amish. It was the evangelicals.
So true. I saw friends get disowned for thinking they could come out to their parents about having questions re: their faith in Christianity, attempted suicides hushed up because their PeRfEcT good Christian missionary family couldn't have that sort of news ruining their reputation, I was censured for having doubts of my own, I could go on about this or that story as could many of others.
There's a lot of truth to the things that led many Atheism+ people away from the faith and it's really telling that—not Christians—but a freaking psychologist who isn't even Christian is the guy getting a lot of people back to the faith(myself included).
How is not believing in any gods cringe?
Or do you mean the communists? Before they went full commie they were just people that wanted attention but didn't know how to work towards anything that would give them attention, it was all about titles and dressing in a way that gave you attention.
I’m more talking about the fedora tippers who think they’re striking some blow for enlightenment and free-speech when they put the Bible in the fiction section but then they clam up when dune coins start raping children and running people over with trucks.
Stop blaming atheists for the policies of jews.
Same thing.
No.