Something that’s has irked me for some time now is how many people latched onto the Atheist movement as an edgy teen but now look back on it in reverence and not shame. This seems to be a common theme in academia and is prevalent even in communities like this one. The lamentation of the “golden-age” of atheism is peak hubris. Dawkins, Hitchens, and crew were deconstructionists of the critical theory variety. Their lives were consumed by the need to disprove God and religion. However these were the shortsighted desires of pseudo-intellectuals, they accomplished nothing productive, and if anything, opened the door for the screaming children that replaced them. I don’t think Dawkins, in his wildest dreams, ever saw his fall come from his own hubris. The intellectual argument over dismantling religion somehow disproving the existence of a god is what fueled the SJWS and their own brand of hubris in the early 2000’s. BTW Dawkins, this is what happens when you remove the “tumor” of religion, you hack. As you see today, Dawkins was swallowed by the stupidity he helped bring about, the Maximilien Robespierre of the modern era, begging for trannies to not cut off his head.
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Yes I’m sure it was awful growing up Christian in a first-world white country. Gasp! My parents made me get up early on Sunday! My School made me say the pledge of Allegiance! My heart bleeds.
Not that I’m really wanting to side with the Christian Right on this too much either. If they’d cared more about actually creating a working society and preventing the destruction of the family than they did about banning DOOM and heavy metal music we might not be in this mess.
I'm glad you grew up with parents who weren't retarded. Bad news: you have absolutely no idea how much actual damage people using God as a crutch do, and how they and everyone around them use God to enable abuse. Normally to feed their own Narcissistic tendencies, or to rationalize physical, sexual, or psychological abuse. This kind of thing genuinely happened to people.
And that's actually the fucking problem. You can stand there and say "That's not what a good Christian would do", and that's great, but it's your flock and it's your responsibility to stop that from happening in your community; and you didn't do shit.
When people get abused like that, they ascribe the collectivism they were abused by to that abuse, whether you like it or not. Unfortunately, that also means that their positions are purely reactionary. They can be led from one ideological zealotry to another. I've been complaining about this for... 8 years or so? Atheists that never go through the "Deconversion" process of actually losing all of their magical thinking and spiritual beliefs; can end up just adopting other systems that require magical thinking. Hence why the Atheism+ crowd adopted Marxism; and why they will eventually adopt Liberation Theology.
The biggest problem that Atheism had, but never really understood, is that most atheists have never gone through a deconversion process. They've never actually spent years actually introspectively analyzing their own religious, spiritual, or philosophical ideas; to get to the point where they finally conclude that God does not exist. Instead they just react against "Crockoduck", "You can't explain the tides", and "banana-hand = God".
And to go on with your other point: yes that was the Zenith of Christian Philosophy in the 1990's and 2000's which is exactly why Jordan Peterson is your best bet at the moment; and why when he's talking to professors of religious universities; he looks like he's talking to children; or just to himself.
The Evangelical Movement has pulled all the same stunts on christians as BLM Corporate has on blacks; even down to stealing the donations and buying mansions. That includes the rampant fraud committed by the televangelists and the Megachurch crowd. Apparently Christianity has all but entirely lost the concept of piety and humbleness. The truth is, they were the culture warrior grifters of their day, and they had no desire to fight Communism; no desire to uplift Christianity; and all the desire to make a few bucks on the side.
I don’t disagree with a lot of what you just said. I’m sure there are plenty of shitty parents that use god as a justification for their abuse, just as I’ve seen plenty of shitty parents who didn’t need any such excuse, my point isn’t really a full-throated defense of Christiandom, I think there’s a lot of faggotry involved with the Church that is part of the reason we’re where we are today.
My point was more that the popular atheist movement has been little more than a tool to introduce globohomo faggotry into our society, in the same vein as the media and academia. I’m not saying it’s the only tool or that if you’re an atheist you’re automatically a commie faggot, or that being a Christian automatically makes you immune to such faggotry,I am saying that I fail to see a single benefit that the popular atheist movement has had in the west, and like the OP I think that it’s actually been a detriment as far as back-dooring this bugman, trust the science movement.
The Atheist movement's best accomplishment was lasting long enough to make people skeptical of the Social Justice movement; otherwise we'd look a lot more like Canada right now. It's fighting off of moral authoritarianism inoculated people to moral authoritarianism from the Left, but not all of them.
Athiesm+ murdered the whole movement because that is what it's objective was: balkanize the movement, demand acquiescence to Leftism, wear the movement as a skin suit. All of the Leftist movements are still manipulated by the Fabian Socialist elite, and that's not Atheism could have ever done anything about.
The IFLS (I Fucking Love Science) crowd has long been understood to be an embarrassment to anything related to actual science, as it's been clear that "Science Communicators" have utterly failed and have cultivated something far worse than an scientifically literate population. Leftists, like shark smelling blood in the water, found a position of concentrated power and attacked it, as is their natural inclination. Atheism did not try to make that, the Scientific Community did not try to make that, the whole thing has been bastardized into Communist Pseudo-intellectualism. Because, again, the Left seeks any place of concentrated power.
Climate Change is probably the optimal example of the divide. The Scientists themselves are always driven bonkers why no one seems to understand their work, but there's a group of people screaming at Watermelons claiming that they know about Climate Science as a Watermelon plot. I've literally taken an Environmental Science course where we spent time actually debunking Al Gore's "Inconvenient Truth" in class. Environmental Science. On the opposite end, you have the right-wing which hasn't ever seen any of the actual data, they've been just fighting the Watermelons.
The right thinks Watermelons are the Scientific Community. The Scientific Community are being told that the right wing are a literal strawmen by Watermelons.
Science: "There will be a 6" sea level raise in 100 years. This will cause significant ecological disruption."
Watermelons: "YOU NAZIS ARE KILLING THE EARTH"
The Right: "You are literally just a bunch of Communists."
Watermelons: "I'M THE FUCKING SCIENCE"
The Right: "Then the Science is wrong!"
Watermelons: "DID YOU HEAR THAT! HE SAID THE SCIENCE IS WRONG BECAUSE YOU'RE A COMMUNIST!"
Science: "What? That's fucking absurd."
Watermelons: "YOU HEAR THAT! YOU'RE FUCKING ABSURD AND THE DATA PROVES IT NAZI!"
The Right: "If this is what Science is being used for, then it shouldn't have my tax money."
Watermelons: "YOU HEAR THAT? HE WANTS TO TAKE AWAY YOUR FUNDING BECAUSE HE HATES SCIENCE!"
Science: "What the fuck, we're trying to deal with serious problems!"
Watermelons: "HE CALLED YOU A LITTLE BITCH!"
I have an idea of what pursuing the alternative has cost our society, and civilization itself.
Even if you discount the evils of communism, which is an explicitly and avowedly atheist ideology that has killed a hundred and twenty million innocent people, you still have the death toll of abortion on the hands of atheism and the irreligious.
So when you say "no idea", yeah I have no idea. I also don't give two shits. I don't care if your daddy spanked you with a Bible, your angsty bullshit doesn't matter to me. Because your ideas are worse than any and everything you try to point to to justify it, and we have the last sixty years of leftist atrocities to show that.
All of your lives put together are not worth the damage you've done to civilization. Not by half. Only the Muslims are worse, and they at least have the distinction of never being part of civilization, so no matter how bad they are at least they aren't traitors.
Such an abjectly ignorant statement. No wonder you're making so little sense.
No thanks, I'm not a crackhead.
Neither do you. Difference is, your ideas observably destroy society. They are, at worst, just more Protestant heretics.
So your problem is with Leftism, not Atheism. Cool.
Atheism is not an ideological dogma. It literally can't be. It literally isn't well fleshed-out enough to even warrant being identified as an ideology or philosophy. The rejection of your particular God doesn't make abortion moral, and it doesn't make Communism ethical.
Or do you want me to blame every single death tacitly associated with Christianity, or even something as simply "family values" to the deaths of murderous regimes that may have at one point and time espoused them? I assume not.
Talk to someone who is one.
No, it just challenges the order of society when you use the excuse "do what I say because God said so".
If your society is built on "just do what the guy who says he knows what God wants says", then you didn't build a society worth surviving anyway.
Oh no! Not Protestantism!
Clearly Catholicism will save us from Leftists despite being the origin of Social Justice.
Or maybe you're going to explain how Islam will save us instead.
Or better yet, your version of Socialism that's totally not Socialism will totally work this time when you do it.
Good luck with that. Just don't involve me in that.
Bingo. In the 90's, christian boomers were committing actual emotional abuse on a massive scale, and nobody did jack shit.
Mmmmm no, you do not grasp the magnitude of the situation.
The behaviors I saw from some of those parents was genuine emotional (and in quite a few cases, physical) abuse. Like, you don't even know.
And it weren't the fukkin amish. It was the evangelicals.
So true. I saw friends get disowned for thinking they could come out to their parents about having questions re: their faith in Christianity, attempted suicides hushed up because their PeRfEcT good Christian missionary family couldn't have that sort of news ruining their reputation, I was censured for having doubts of my own, I could go on about this or that story as could many of others.
There's a lot of truth to the things that led many Atheism+ people away from the faith and it's really telling that—not Christians—but a freaking psychologist who isn't even Christian is the guy getting a lot of people back to the faith(myself included).