Trust you....what? Need to be heard? HEAR WHAT? This is as bad as the stupid shit from the left "My life matters, believe all women, love not hate." Blah fucking blah. Details, testify in your own words, share your story.
yeah that was my thought also. it's always this retarded call to collective action - by who - why the the daddy state ofc.
I mean it feels like someone came up with type of "protest ruse" just to give people fake comfort, like they are actually doing something.
It does. Peer pressure. It's why sometimes you have to fight their social warfare using the same tactics,. Most normies aren't interested in facts, science (nb not FauxiSci) or even just evidenced statements. Most are entirely ran off peer pressure.
I kinds think that's why governments were willing to let economies tank too. So they can set up businesses with the excuse of Vax or Fired. It's peer pressure on all fronts, medical, work and social.
It's stupid to claim that these vaccines are vaccines. They are insufficiently tested experimental medical devices that were only granted emergency use authorization because effective preexisting treatments were falsely condemned by the establishment.
Vaccines only become vaccines when they are 'sufficiently tested'? I think it's bloody obvious by now that these vaccines are by and large effective. The only question is around safety.
An unsafe vaccine is not not a vaccine. The live polio vaccine was also unsafe to some extent, but it was still a vaccine.
It may be comparable to a cold for an 18-year-old, but not for an 80-year-old. So the benefits of the experimental medicine definitely outweigh the risks in that case.
A standard cold, can still knock an 80 year old into complications. Covid doesn't have anything special about it that only affects the aged. The aged die from complications of seasonal illnesses all the time. We didnt see governments lockdown entire countries and "rush" to Find a cure for the cold or flu.
You're falling for the "Won't someone think of the elderly" trope.
Callous of me? Perhaps. But survival is a bitch, and this is being said by someone who knows fully well, they're part of the 90% who couldn't make it wild.
Or instead of taking experimental bullshit they could take other drugs that have been tested for years if not decades and proven to be effective against it like HCQ, Ivermectin or however ya spell that shit, etc.
Vaccines are run through trial testing, not to prove they are safe, but to learn how to adjust them TO make them safer. These are not calibrated, they haven't been stress-tested for flaws, it's all theoretical!
Guess what Bill Gates didn't do with his shitty live-attenuated oral polio vaccine that should have been scrapped in place of the standard proven safe inactivated injectable polio vaccine.
As the vast majority of people understand the term, a vaccine is an injection of deactivated microorganisms designed to trigger prevention of infection and transmission. The entire concept of herd immunity via vaccination is derived from this definition of the term.
An injection that merely reduces symptoms of a disease is not a "vaccine" as the term is used and understood by the vast majority of people. Such an injection is also incapable of triggering herd immunity or protecting vulnerable members of society who cannot handle the injection.
Given the stated purpose of covid-19 vaccines is to reduce symptoms - not to prevent infection or transmission - all policies based on "percentage of vaxxed" are baseless and dishonest.
All claims that the vaccines do prevent infection/transmission are suspect because:
The CDC deliberately stopped reporting breakthrough cases two months ago, so we have no idea how many vaccinated people are catching/spreading covid-19
The only data we do have to support the claim that vaccines reduce infection/transmission come from Pfizer, a company that has already received the largest fine in US history for lying about their products
In the event that these vaccines do end up preventing infection/transmission, we would then have evidence that the injections are doing something other than what they were ostensibly intended to do. There is no guarantee that all such side effects will be positive.
As far as testing goes: a vaccine becomes a safe vaccine when it has been sufficiently tested. They've been trying (and failing) to get FDA approval for these vaccines for over a decade. They only obtained Emergency Use Authorization because pharma pulled strings and had HCQ and Ivermectin declared ineffective treatments for covid-19. A drug cannot receive EUA if an effective approved treatment already exists.
If covid-19 vaccines end up having no long-term side effects for the vast majority of users, that will be good a thing. It won't change a damn thing with regard to the lies and abuses that were committed to rush these shots to market and coerce people to take them.
Saying "It's equally stupid to claim that the vaccines do no good" is inappropriate for this thread, which was likely why you were downvoted.
Please do not argue with people in this thread as it had made you look stupid, instead you should ask "why am I being downvoted" as that is less controversial.
Vaccines have proven useful for protecting people from dangerous/incurable diseases, but not all vaccines are the standard inactivated type that was proven safest...
Oh, you want to be heard? Do you really now? Hmmmm, well how about this... FUCK YOU! I wanted to be heard when I was warning all of you about this bullshit and your Fauci worshipping kind was too busy screeching at me to wear a mask and how I should die for not getting the jab. You want to be heard? I heard you. You just never heard me. Now go die with your precious vaccine that you were so sure of.
Trust you....what? Need to be heard? HEAR WHAT? This is as bad as the stupid shit from the left "My life matters, believe all women, love not hate." Blah fucking blah. Details, testify in your own words, share your story.
yeah that was my thought also. it's always this retarded call to collective action - by who - why the the daddy state ofc.
I mean it feels like someone came up with type of "protest ruse" just to give people fake comfort, like they are actually doing something.
Maybe this sort of shit works on normies? I dunno.
It does. Peer pressure. It's why sometimes you have to fight their social warfare using the same tactics,. Most normies aren't interested in facts, science (nb not FauxiSci) or even just evidenced statements. Most are entirely ran off peer pressure.
I kinds think that's why governments were willing to let economies tank too. So they can set up businesses with the excuse of Vax or Fired. It's peer pressure on all fronts, medical, work and social.
No shit. What happened?
It's stupid to claim that the vaccines can hurt no one.
It's equally stupid to claim that the vaccines do no good, especially groups that are most at risk.
It's stupid to claim that these vaccines are vaccines. They are insufficiently tested experimental medical devices that were only granted emergency use authorization because effective preexisting treatments were falsely condemned by the establishment.
Vaccines only become vaccines when they are 'sufficiently tested'? I think it's bloody obvious by now that these vaccines are by and large effective. The only question is around safety.
An unsafe vaccine is not not a vaccine. The live polio vaccine was also unsafe to some extent, but it was still a vaccine.
They haven't finished human trials. That's sometime in 2023.
I think it's safe to say we shouldn't take experimental drugs to deal with a minor cold.
It may be comparable to a cold for an 18-year-old, but not for an 80-year-old. So the benefits of the experimental medicine definitely outweigh the risks in that case.
A standard cold, can still knock an 80 year old into complications. Covid doesn't have anything special about it that only affects the aged. The aged die from complications of seasonal illnesses all the time. We didnt see governments lockdown entire countries and "rush" to Find a cure for the cold or flu.
You're falling for the "Won't someone think of the elderly" trope.
Callous of me? Perhaps. But survival is a bitch, and this is being said by someone who knows fully well, they're part of the 90% who couldn't make it wild.
Or instead of taking experimental bullshit they could take other drugs that have been tested for years if not decades and proven to be effective against it like HCQ, Ivermectin or however ya spell that shit, etc.
So yes these 'vaccines' can go fuck right off.
Glad someone is saying this. Safety and efficacy and risk are just numbers. There is a calculation to be done for each demographic.
From the downvotes I guess some people seriously believe that covid is “just a cold” for the 80+ demographic? Insane.
Vaccines are run through trial testing, not to prove they are safe, but to learn how to adjust them TO make them safer. These are not calibrated, they haven't been stress-tested for flaws, it's all theoretical!
Guess what Bill Gates didn't do with his shitty live-attenuated oral polio vaccine that should have been scrapped in place of the standard proven safe inactivated injectable polio vaccine.
As the vast majority of people understand the term, a vaccine is an injection of deactivated microorganisms designed to trigger prevention of infection and transmission. The entire concept of herd immunity via vaccination is derived from this definition of the term.
An injection that merely reduces symptoms of a disease is not a "vaccine" as the term is used and understood by the vast majority of people. Such an injection is also incapable of triggering herd immunity or protecting vulnerable members of society who cannot handle the injection.
Given the stated purpose of covid-19 vaccines is to reduce symptoms - not to prevent infection or transmission - all policies based on "percentage of vaxxed" are baseless and dishonest.
All claims that the vaccines do prevent infection/transmission are suspect because:
The CDC deliberately stopped reporting breakthrough cases two months ago, so we have no idea how many vaccinated people are catching/spreading covid-19
The only data we do have to support the claim that vaccines reduce infection/transmission come from Pfizer, a company that has already received the largest fine in US history for lying about their products
In the event that these vaccines do end up preventing infection/transmission, we would then have evidence that the injections are doing something other than what they were ostensibly intended to do. There is no guarantee that all such side effects will be positive.
As far as testing goes: a vaccine becomes a safe vaccine when it has been sufficiently tested. They've been trying (and failing) to get FDA approval for these vaccines for over a decade. They only obtained Emergency Use Authorization because pharma pulled strings and had HCQ and Ivermectin declared ineffective treatments for covid-19. A drug cannot receive EUA if an effective approved treatment already exists.
If covid-19 vaccines end up having no long-term side effects for the vast majority of users, that will be good a thing. It won't change a damn thing with regard to the lies and abuses that were committed to rush these shots to market and coerce people to take them.
Saying "It's equally stupid to claim that the vaccines do no good" is inappropriate for this thread, which was likely why you were downvoted.
Please do not argue with people in this thread as it had made you look stupid, instead you should ask "why am I being downvoted" as that is less controversial.
Vaccines have proven useful for protecting people from dangerous/incurable diseases, but not all vaccines are the standard inactivated type that was proven safest...
Oh, you want to be heard? Do you really now? Hmmmm, well how about this... FUCK YOU! I wanted to be heard when I was warning all of you about this bullshit and your Fauci worshipping kind was too busy screeching at me to wear a mask and how I should die for not getting the jab. You want to be heard? I heard you. You just never heard me. Now go die with your precious vaccine that you were so sure of.