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A screencap discussing the current ascendance of China and the potential collapse of the Western Bloc. Discuss. (media.kotakuinaction2.win)
posted 5 years ago by AlwysHideUrPowerLevl 5 years ago by AlwysHideUrPowerLevl +31 / -0
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– deleted 25 points 5 years ago +25 / -0
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– HeckOffSteppersReeee 11 points 5 years ago +11 / -0

Caring about the feelings of the "masses" on the internet is the West's ultimate weakness

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– Killroyomega 8 points 5 years ago +8 / -0

China has no incentive to go to physical war with the west, all they have to do is sit back and watch the sharp decline.

Hard disagree.

China has shown that they will take action to slowly expand their reach through violence.

It's happening in what they call the South China Sea, its happening on the border area with India, and it's happening in Africa.

China will present a slow and demure but constant threat to achieve their interests. They know that the Western governments are under their influence and won't do anything as they gain more and more power.

We already have seen it multiple times. China takes direct, military action against a country with a defense pact with the West and is ignored.

Our leaders are snakes and must be put down before it's too late.

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– w-duranty6489 4 points 5 years ago +4 / -0

China uses military power there because Asia isn't destroying themselves with wokeism fast enough.

America is.

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– Killroyomega 3 points 5 years ago +3 / -0

No, they use military power because they know that none of the western powers are willing to respond even when there's specific defense treaties in place.

If when China started shoring up their position in the South China Sea we sent an armada in and blew up their holdings they'd think twice.

Our leaders are faggots, grifters, and traitors.

Both the government and the military have been coopted by careerists who see their position not as a civic duty and a responsibility, but as a means to an end and a stepping stone on their personal journey.

Peace can only be won through the threat, and sometimes application, of violence. It is violence itself to bring order to a world of chaos. By acting like pussies and refusing to take selfish, Nationalistic action real, brutal, violent, bloody war is made inevitable.

But hey, there's an upside.

India is willing to fight. Many SEA nations are willing to fight.

I think it's about time we hung our traitorous leaders and kicked China's teeth in.

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– w-duranty6489 1 point 5 years ago +1 / -0

India

capable

SEA

not totally dependent on Chinese trade and loans and a cucked "military" consisting of 5 rowboats

lol read the news

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– Killroyomega 1 point 5 years ago +1 / -0

Remind me of the last time China won a conflict with India.

Just one example, please.

a cucked "military" consisting of 5 rowboats

Doesn't matter even slightly.

What is necessary in a war is to have forces able to occupy and secure positions, and to exert pressure on fortified positions.

As has been shown time and time again a unified gorilla force exerts an inordinate amount of pressure on more advanced, fortified positions because of the huge disparity in initiative and investment.

You can take out a deployed modern navy with a handful of speedboats under the right circumstances.

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– w-duranty6489 1 point 5 years ago +1 / -0

Are you retarded.

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– Killroyomega 1 point 5 years ago +1 / -0

Do you have even the most surface level understanding of geopolitics?

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– deleted 1 point 5 years ago +1 / -0
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– Happicakes 16 points 5 years ago +16 / -0

This assumes an awful lot about how friendly the Russians and Chinese are (hint: they are not on greatest of terms at the moment, with China's saber rattling against Russian interests in the region, and the Russians threatening to shoot Chinese military flights down that continue to infringe on their airspace). However, there is truth here as well. The US is currently in crisis with weak leadership and is estranged from its "allies" in the EU. It could get bad in a hurry for sure.

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– Johan_Liebert 3 points 5 years ago +3 / -0

They aren't THAT frosty. https://apnews.com/article/pakistan-belarus-iran-myanmar-russia-0d2f7ebbf673fccf3f2c643cc495a177

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– Happicakes 3 points 5 years ago +3 / -0

Ty for the read and good to know.

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– GoofTroop186 12 points 5 years ago +12 / -0

A lot of this is flat out wrong. My understanding is China is nowhere near the United States’ in terms of its military. Like they literally built their first aircraft carrier about 18 months ago

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– Fmantothemaxagain 13 points 5 years ago +13 / -0

And that's ignoring the general state of anything made in China. Their military food was one of the only things to make steve1989MREinfo sick, and that man has eaten B units from WW2.

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– xleb2 7 points 5 years ago +7 / -0

Didn't he even eat some civil war hardtack? I love his style.

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– norwegianwikin 6 points 5 years ago +6 / -0

And Boer war beef

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– yamez 7 points 5 years ago +7 / -0

Their first carrier can't leave port because it isn't seaworthy. That's always a good move for a navy.

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– TheModernDaVinci 3 points 5 years ago +3 / -0

And on top of that, we get into so-called "intangibles." Stuff that is extremely important for a military but is something that you cant really put down as a solid, on paper thing. The two obvious ones that spring to my mind are carrier ops and damage control.

The US Navy has been the premier operator of carriers since WW2 forced us to learn the hard way. And a lot of the operations for said carriers are because of harsh lessons learned in the early days when, much like the Japanese, we still considered the carrier a second-class unit and as such had not invest time or money into them. But through these, we learned how to make carriers work, planes do their job, the whole 9-yards. The Chinese have had no such training, and neither did the Russians who they bought their carrier from. Or did you think they designed the Nimitz and the Ford the way they did just because its pretty, and not because it is as efficient in carrier ops as possible.

And then damage control, which again we learned the hard way. And what we learned the hard way is that, if you make literally everyone on board a damage control officer, then you can start making repairs the second the ship is damage. To use an extreme example, the USS Samuel B. Roberts (FFG-58, not DE-413, although she was also a tough bitch to sink) hit an Iranian mine, which blew a 15-ft hole in the ship, flooded the engine room, destroyed 2 turbines, and knocked out power on the ship, and BROKE THE KEEL (you know, that minor part of the ship that only holds all of it together?)! And yet, the Roberts managed to stay afloat long enough to be rescued, and was even repaired and served another 30 years before finally being retired. That is the absolute insanity of US damage control. That taking a hit that is fatal to 99% of ships was something that the sailors looked at and went "Oh look, a challenge" and kept the ship alive to fight another day.

I also dont buy the Chinese economic dominance. While some major companies like Apple intend to stay in China, Walmart just recently announced they are moving their main suppliers to India. And as the single largest importer in the US, they hold a lot of sway with other industries who will piggyback off of the shipping lanes. Especially as many of those industries are starting to get sick and tired of having their IP stolen and copied by the Chinese to be sold back at below cost.

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– Xzal 2 points 5 years ago +2 / -0

The Chinese have a big habit, like in their city infrastructures, of building out of "cardboard".

They have entire empty cities, that have no function.

It would not surprise me if they have the same for their armies and navy.

They get attacked, there's cardboard bases and cities everywhere. Geographical. Disinformation.

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– APDSmith 3 points 5 years ago +3 / -0

Yeah, that bit strikes me as the usual "gibs funding" over-estimation of the capabilities of the US' enemies. I'm particularly not convinced by the missile threat. This is a threat that the US has been forefront in the minds of US military planners for decades - AEGIS was built to counter Soviet missile spam.

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– Johan_Liebert 3 points 5 years ago +3 / -0

Kinda. They're pretty inferior to the US BUT they do have massive amounts of bodies they can throw at the US and we cannot absorb the same casualty rates and they some self invented (tech stolen and China-fied) ordinance that are pretty scary for warships, troops and citizens in SK, Guam and Japan. Though the Chinese are supposedly 7-10 years behind the US in technology currently, they'll allegedly surpass us in 2030.

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– MrGiggles 6 points 5 years ago +6 / -0

Manpower differences only really work when the warring country is either incapable of long-range warfare or too concerned about what the rest of the world thinks of them to rely on long-range warfare rather than troop deployment.

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– Johan_Liebert 1 point 5 years ago +1 / -0

Pretty sure the CCP doesn't care about what the world thinks of them.

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– deleted 2 points 5 years ago +2 / -0
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– randomuser88385 7 points 5 years ago +7 / -0

Who is we?

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– AlwysHideUrPowerLevl [S] 9 points 5 years ago +9 / -0

The publisher. Presumably judging from the context, the author is part of some kind of formal group or think tank, no idea what it could be though. Screencap isn't even mine, I found it online and shared it here as I thought there would be interest in the content.

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– Wizardslayer 6 points 5 years ago +6 / -0

This keeps over playing the russian angle. Which is the problem with a lot of things in the US. We keep looking at the old enemy as the main enemy. This has been overblown for the past 12 years by the left as they refuse to acknowledge china as America's biggest competitor. Russia should and could be an american and western european ally because it makes more sense for them geopolitically to be. Europe needs russian gas and oil. China wants russian territory. China and Russia aren't true allies, they weren't even true allies when they were both communist. The two civilizations have always been at odds.

Also, I think this article(and most articles) go on about the power of china but not their weaknesses. China is going through a demographic crisis with an aging population and abysmal birth rates(actual numbers are hard to come by, but not even the official numbers are good for China.) This aging problem leads to monetary problems. China'd economy is close to hitting the growth wall. It has already massively slowed down and it will be hard for them to fix it. They haven't had a recession yet, which all economies eventually have, and when they do it could very well lead to massive unrest. Unrest that is won't just be within the ethnic minorities on the edges of china but within the han chinese themselves. I think this is why china is pushing so hard to forcibly integrate hong kong 100%. They need a forcibly boost to a stagnating economy.

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– deleted 8 points 5 years ago +8 / -0

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