Not at all. Literally not at all. In fact, leftist media actively weaponizes this phenomenon. They will tell massive lies up front in order to direct behavior, and then they'll report bits and pieces of the truth later when no one is watching or reading. In this way they can maintain a veneer of integrity while accomplishing all the goals of propaganda.
I don't even entirely understand the point of trying to spin things like this. Maybe there were some agitators, but that guy sitting in Pelosi's chair wasn't. There weren't tens of thousands of agitators like there were people beyond the security barrier.
Seems more like "conservatives clenching defeat from the jaws of victory in an attempt to save their own skins"
About 15 minutes into his speech, Mr. Trump tells rally attendees to walk to the Capitol. “You have to show strength,” he says.
Do you really believe that a serious, hardcore Trump supporter would leave a speech from their hero before it ended- like it was the last couple innings of a blowout game?
Let alone only 15 mins into it, when he's known to usually speak for an hour or more??
Yes, I believe some Trump supporters were upset enough about what was happening to storm the Capitol. And I don't entirely understand this pivot to "oh it was agitators who started this". Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't; but they weren't all agitators.
This goes back to something I've been saying for some time: your rhetoric should be consistent with what actions you support. If you believe that the election was rigged, the Courts were compromised, your vote has now been taken from you, and "1776 will commence again", backpedaling and blaming agitators just makes you look weak.
It wasn't agitators. Trump does have a larger contingent of Bernie bros than people realize though. It was a bipartisan mob of frustrated radicals, although the vast majority were typical boomer patriots. Every theory running around is probably true in a microcosom.
Whatever it was, it was a seized opportunity to turn the Congress men and woman into the victims while they sell out our country. No more talk of 2k and all the money is still going out to other countries.
I didn't say it was impossible. I think it's likely in fact. But if you're going to agitate someone into a fight, you have to have someone that's willing to get into one.
I'm saying I don't particularly care if it was agitators, the right didn't seem to care before the FBI started arresting people, I don't think the right should care now, and by the right pivoting to blaming agitators it makes them look pathetic and like they didn't really believe their own rhetoric about the election being stolen and the court being compromised.
On the 5th even fairly mainstream people on the right were saying "we're not voting our way out of this". Did they mean that, or was it bluster?
But if you're going to agitate someone into a fight, you have to have someone that's willing to get into one.
You're assuming that's the only victory condition present. If it were 100% paid actors that went into ("stormed") the capital, would that shut it all down and media would just say aw phooey? The victory condition for the event was a smear job, which can be done entirely without consent.
I'll present a generous argument for what you're interpreting as backpedaling. They want no claim to the event because they didn't feel like they got a chance to participate. The job was done badly, wasn't it? I'd be pretty irritated if I got blamed for a bad job done by some jerk wearing my symbols when I was still preparing to do the job right. But I wouldn't give up afterwards, so we'll only really know if this is true by the end of the month.
I personally hope there will be more violence aimed at the government (disclaimer: I am not planning to commit any, I'm not even American - nor am I encouraging anyone to do it).
As much as I wish Trump WAS strong enough to tell people to storm the building, I can't say that. He obviously didn't. I wish he did but he didn't.
Not at all. Literally not at all. In fact, leftist media actively weaponizes this phenomenon. They will tell massive lies up front in order to direct behavior, and then they'll report bits and pieces of the truth later when no one is watching or reading. In this way they can maintain a veneer of integrity while accomplishing all the goals of propaganda.
I don't even entirely understand the point of trying to spin things like this. Maybe there were some agitators, but that guy sitting in Pelosi's chair wasn't. There weren't tens of thousands of agitators like there were people beyond the security barrier.
Seems more like "conservatives clenching defeat from the jaws of victory in an attempt to save their own skins"
Failing NY Times timeline: https://archive.is/Fgp7W
Do you really believe that a serious, hardcore Trump supporter would leave a speech from their hero before it ended- like it was the last couple innings of a blowout game?
Let alone only 15 mins into it, when he's known to usually speak for an hour or more??
Yes, I believe some Trump supporters were upset enough about what was happening to storm the Capitol. And I don't entirely understand this pivot to "oh it was agitators who started this". Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't; but they weren't all agitators.
This goes back to something I've been saying for some time: your rhetoric should be consistent with what actions you support. If you believe that the election was rigged, the Courts were compromised, your vote has now been taken from you, and "1776 will commence again", backpedaling and blaming agitators just makes you look weak.
It wasn't agitators. Trump does have a larger contingent of Bernie bros than people realize though. It was a bipartisan mob of frustrated radicals, although the vast majority were typical boomer patriots. Every theory running around is probably true in a microcosom.
We have proof that both Antifa and white supremacists were in the building, and that a majority of the people there didn’t even enter.
Whatever it was, it was a seized opportunity to turn the Congress men and woman into the victims while they sell out our country. No more talk of 2k and all the money is still going out to other countries.
Be ause its impossible for it to be both, election and court compromise, with Agitprop?
Riiight.
I didn't say it was impossible. I think it's likely in fact. But if you're going to agitate someone into a fight, you have to have someone that's willing to get into one.
I'm saying I don't particularly care if it was agitators, the right didn't seem to care before the FBI started arresting people, I don't think the right should care now, and by the right pivoting to blaming agitators it makes them look pathetic and like they didn't really believe their own rhetoric about the election being stolen and the court being compromised.
On the 5th even fairly mainstream people on the right were saying "we're not voting our way out of this". Did they mean that, or was it bluster?
You're assuming that's the only victory condition present. If it were 100% paid actors that went into ("stormed") the capital, would that shut it all down and media would just say aw phooey? The victory condition for the event was a smear job, which can be done entirely without consent.
I'll present a generous argument for what you're interpreting as backpedaling. They want no claim to the event because they didn't feel like they got a chance to participate. The job was done badly, wasn't it? I'd be pretty irritated if I got blamed for a bad job done by some jerk wearing my symbols when I was still preparing to do the job right. But I wouldn't give up afterwards, so we'll only really know if this is true by the end of the month.
Pence's letter kicked things off. Trump had nothing to do with it.
This. I don't even care who started it at this point, Pence's letter was the kind of driving force that I felt actually justified it.
I have a link to livestreams and synopsis of events from someone who was there if you're intrested.
Lol. NYT of all people just inadvertantly exonerated Trump and by extension outed the entire corporate media and their speech crackdown as bogus.
And none of it will matter.
I personally hope there will be more violence aimed at the government (disclaimer: I am not planning to commit any, I'm not even American - nor am I encouraging anyone to do it).
As much as I wish Trump WAS strong enough to tell people to storm the building, I can't say that. He obviously didn't. I wish he did but he didn't.
Al Gore might call this an inconvenient truth. Come to think of it, where is that asshole these days?
Trump's speech had nothing to do with it. All I can say is that I'm glad law enforcement was there, but I'm disappointed the criminals got away.