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TheOpiner 17 points ago +17 / -0

Daily Mail archived article: https://archive.ph/4AbMS

Things are escalating rapidly by the hour. 7,300 complaints to Ofcom. How many actually watched or listened to what Fox said?

Talk TV is next in the firing line if they claim GB News' scalp.

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TheOpiner 2 points ago +2 / -0

No. Because I am not a fan of banning things where all parties consent and cause no physical harm to others. But for those who do want a complete ban on porn and anything that isn't between a couple, how will you deal with all the sexually frustrated men who are failing in dating with the utter state that is in?

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TheOpiner 12 points ago +12 / -0

Former Prime Minister Gordon Brown has gone on record on Sky News to tell companies to keep men who "talk about women in that way" out of the public light or else.

We also know the SNP intends to bring in an anti-misogyny law that the UK will likely follow in lock-step. And we also have the forthcoming Online Safety Bill likely to start being enforced next month. And of course, the precedence of both section 127 the Communications Act 2003 for Fox's repetition of what he said on-air off-air - the same law got Count Dankula fined £800 for his pug prank and harassment and stalking law that sunk Alex Belfield and earned him five and a half years in prison.

by Lethn
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TheOpiner 12 points ago +12 / -0

He is wrong about VPN's. The bill covers all services provided online including VPN's if they operate in the UK. VPN's are not going to save you.

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TheOpiner 3 points ago +3 / -0

We can hope it doesn't apply to what he said on TV but bear in mind it was also published online and he has repeated what he said off-air on a public online forum via X.

It hasn't stopped the SNP leader using it for a political agenda.

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TheOpiner 5 points ago +5 / -0

Giving Laurence Fox credit, he is not apologising and he is standing firm in what he has said. What is happening here is that individuals and an news organisation are being cancelled because of a statement he made about a woman that has caused gross offence and could potentially land Fox in big trouble.

If they succeed, we're in dangerous territory where we will have unequal treatment of men and women in terms of consequences of criticising someone of the other sex (and having it classed as an illegal, grossly offensive and sexist act one way but not the other).

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TheOpiner 12 points ago +12 / -0

I listened to the whole thing and I'm struggling to hear where Fox is wrong. I think most men if they hear the words patriarchy, feminism or oppression on a date would walk away.

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TheOpiner 7 points ago +7 / -0

The age verification applies to any content that is not "suitable for children". That's a lot of stuff that has to go behind verification. This site included. Not just adult websites as the media kept claiming, it has wide reaching consequences.

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TheOpiner 12 points ago +12 / -0

That thing I warned would happen as a consequence of the Online Safety Act is happening.

It won't stop with Rumble.

They look at North Korea's Kwangmyong with envy and jealousy but they know going that far in Britain would be overplaying their hand so they're emulating Russia - the same country they condemn for draconian censorship.

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TheOpiner 2 points ago +2 / -0

I note at least one prominent evolutionary psychology researcher has condemned the study and insists that misogyny is linked to women's attraction and perception of that man and his success in dating.

https://nitter.unixfox.eu/datepsych/status/1706063501859475959

A few replies are suggesting that Chads sees the true nature of their conquests and that might be why the original study came to the conclusion they dispute.

That seems to correlate with what feminists claim, that sexism is linked to women's perception of that man. That men who are "creeps" or give the "ick" are perceived as sexist.

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TheOpiner 1 point ago +1 / -0

I note prominent speakers in the field of evolutionary psychology are condemning the outcome of this study after Rolf Degen published it on his X account by stating that it goes against their understanding and findings that women's perception of men and their attractiveness to women determines misogyny - ie. less attractive and successful, more misogynistic.

I knew it would rustle jimmies.

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TheOpiner 2 points ago +2 / -0

23% of men at 45 and 13% of women at 45 in Norway in 2013. I've seen similar numbers for other countries. And the trend is steadily upwards.

https://sciencenorway.no/childlessness-fathers-forskningno/a-quarter-of-norwegian-men-never-father-children/1401047

Just under a quarter of US men and just under 16% of US women according to a 2014 report.

https://apnews.com/article/c61402fa463b4406a9eccad079fc49df

It isn't the norm but it is not rare.

But there have always been individuals who contribute to society but remain alone. The loneliness epidemic is novel but life-long lonely people have always been a thing.

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TheOpiner 8 points ago +8 / -0

Sky clarified the concept, they call it "staggered consent". Defined as a maximum of four years either way.

We'll likely still see sexual double standards though like we see now with teacher/pupil dynamics though applied to adult age gap relationships if the Government does succumb to the lobbyists and make it law.

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TheOpiner 5 points ago +5 / -0

In fairness, it's not just the BBC. Sky is also doing the same thing where they are least clarify the age gap thing or as they term it "staggered consent" - maximum of four years either way.

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TheOpiner 2 points ago +2 / -0

Depends on how the man proceeds and whether he sees the actual truth and reacts accordingly. I've seen too many videos and comments who took advice, even on self-improvement, and got to their forties with good health and fitness, independence and a job but no partner and warning younger men about the consequences.

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TheOpiner 9 points ago +9 / -0

There is already a problem where girls develop quicker than boys during puberty. It wasn't unknown prior to mandatory ID checks on the doors of nightclubs for underage girls to get in to drink because they looked old enough. It works the other way too, many a time I see young women ask for a child ticket on the buses because the drivers don't ID them.

Are men and dating sites going to ask women for photo ID (which would have to apply to men too) with an increase in the age of consent to protect their backsides?

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TheOpiner 4 points ago +4 / -0

Quoting the study paper (ie. their words direct from Elliot, not mine):

"Table 1

The Extreme Misogyny Scale derived from Elliot Rodger’s manifesto My Twisted World

  1. I have uneasy feelings of nervousness and fear around girls.

  2. Evil acts are rewarded by women.

  3. The power that beautiful women have is unbelievable. They can temporarily turn a desperate boy’s whole world around just by smiling.

  4. Females truly have something mentally wrong with them. Their minds are flawed.

  5. Women are sexually attracted to the wrong type of man.

  6. Women’s sexual attractions are flawed.

  7. Women are incapable of reason or thinking rationally.

  8. Women are like a plague that must be quarantined.

  9. Women’s rejection of ugly men is a declaration of war.

  10. You need to attract girls at an early age to avoid your life to fall into a miserable pit of despair.

  11. If a man is all alone, people get the impression that girls are repulsed by him, and therefore he is a worthless loser.

  12. The meanest and most depraved of men come out on top, and women flock to these men.

  13. To see another male be successful with females is torture."

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TheOpiner 2 points ago +2 / -0

There's a lot to be said about the advice being given by women to men that may be given in good faith but is terrible advice (it would be described as a fisherman asking the fish how to catch them) and the fantasy concepts including the concept of the "soul mate" in dating programmes, fictional stories and general parlance. In the same regard we don't speak frankly about the dark truth of our mortality so we developed the concept of the after life, we do the same thing about mating and dating. The problem is, it fools men and messes them up for life.

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TheOpiner 3 points ago +3 / -0

The nice guys finish last, or who are colloquially called the "beta bux". We're now seeing the first tentative signs that as childless women now outearn their male peers and with community/state raising of children and financial support through welfare, such men no longer have a place in these women's lives. It's no longer a case of nice guys finishing last, it is now increasingly likely they'll never finish. Cue the beginning of the loneliness epidemic.

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TheOpiner 3 points ago +3 / -0

I describe the world and everything that has been invented, built and we take for granted as the biggest peacock feather display in the universe. Because that's what everything basically boils down to.

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TheOpiner 1 point ago +3 / -2

People think that the solution is to tell them to "lift" and "touch grass". But how does that make them get to six feet in height or cure their autism or solve their speech impediment, fix their balding or deal with half their personality traits that are genetic and inherited?

This advice is like telling someone with a 1970s hatchback that if they just try hard and believe, they can turn that car into a 2023 sports car. You can tweak that car, improve its performance or even put a sports car manufacturers badge on it to delude yourself but you're not fooling anyone. It's still a 1970s hatchback underneath that veneer and always will be. In the same way, you can call yourself a woman but you'll always have XY chromosomes and will never produce large gametes (eggs) but only small gametes (sperm).

Life is inherently unfair and everyone has a different pack of cards when they are born. Incels were given the jokers in the real world game of poker. That's not defeatist or negative, that's reality regrettably. Stardusk The Thinking Ape described it aptly - life is cope.

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TheOpiner 4 points ago +4 / -0

There will always be a small minority of men and an significantly lower minority of women who will be single and childless through their lives. If I recall from a Norwegian study, around 25% of men are childless at 40 compared to 15% of women. Was the case prior to the Internet and will be the case forever more. These people are simply not capable of finding partners, a significant proportion of which is genetic or medical and can't be fixed by telling them to "lift" or "touch grass". The only difference now is that prior to the Internet, these people would keep themselves to themselves at home and would not communicate with other like minded people, which they can now do online and worldwide, that equates to many millions of people.

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TheOpiner 4 points ago +5 / -1

There's a video yesterday by Wheat Waffles who is one of the prominent voices around the black pill (spoiler alert - the black pill is more aligned to what evolutionary psychologists are finding about human nature because mating and nature is brutal and doesn't care about your feelings) where he provides a paid service rating men's looks with university students.

One of his conclusions was that women will reject you for one fundamental flaw as opposed to doing a cost/benefit analysis to see if you would be a net positive or negative. Which makes sense as women (even older, unattractive women) have lots of options and the majority of men have little to none.

One of his other conclusion is that if you're average looking (not that ugly) or below, he may as well have rated them as zero. The women he asked wanted nothing to do with these men and subsequently that equates to zero, rather than the 1-9 scale he used.

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TheOpiner 2 points ago +2 / -0

I could have told them all this shit for free but it's good there's a real legitimate study being done on incels that isn't just Canadian glowies and the ADL sperging out to the FBI.

A recent prominent study by the University of Swansea on Incels has been funded by the UK Government's Commission for Countering Extremism (CCE). The CCE commissions research that then feeds back their findings to the Government to inform legislation and strategy.

Bear in mind that Incels were identified as a target for the UK's CONTEST 2023 counter-terrorism strategy.

https://psy.swansea.ac.uk/suric/

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