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posted ago by ramzaruglia +50 / -7

In France, you cannot talk or say anything bad or dissident against Muslims and Islam or you'll get mugged, attacked, harassed or beheaded in the name of prophet Mohammad. In the UK, you cannot say that Muslims are the main problem behind the myriad of sexual assaults and crimes in the country or you'll be branded as a racist bigot and the police will put you to the slammer. In the USA, say anything that shows pride of being white and an American makes you a fascist. In Germany, anything that's right-wing in opinion is illegal and can get you to jail. In Sweden, talk about how the Muslims have destroyed your country inside and outside and your fate is worse than those who raped or murdered.

Have you Westerners lost your will to fight to preserve yourselves? Are really this desentized to the point that you're more worried about what the media will have to say against you if you stand up for yourself and your right to exist? Maybe it's cowardice.

In France, you cannot talk or say anything bad or dissident against Muslims and Islam or you'll get mugged, attacked, harassed or beheaded in the name of prophet Mohammad. In the UK, you cannot say that Muslims are the main problem behind the myriad of sexual assaults and crimes in the country or you'll be branded as a racist bigot and the police will put you to the slammer. In the USA, say anything that shows pride of being white and an American makes you a fascist. In Germany, anything that's right-wing in opinion is illegal and can get you to jail. In Sweden, talk about how the Muslims have destroyed your country inside and outside and your fate is worse than those who raped or murdered. Have you Westerners lost your will to fight to preserve yourselves? Are really this desentized to the point that you're more worried about what the media will have to say against you if you stand up for yourself and your right to exist? Maybe it's cowardice.
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BrigLunch 33 points ago +35 / -2

It'd definitely demoralization. I think u/Norenia (and many others') immediate "UHHH! GLOOOWWWWIIIEEE" reaction doesn't help.

Globalization was a mistake.

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ramzaruglia [S] 16 points ago +20 / -4

They hide their cowardice by screaming glowie when being told the truth. It's called coping.

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Norenia 10 points ago +14 / -4

I'm not saying he's wrong. But I seriously don't appreciate being talked down to by someone who clearly hasn't done anything himself either.

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IWanttotalknow 4 points ago +5 / -1

Demoralization has something to do with it, but it's definitely not all of it. The way I see it breaking down is like this:

Success: Currently, the United States is basically the best place on the world to live. For all it's problems, pretty much anyone can be self-sustaining at a level that provides more than most people in history. Getting to say, 17-18$/hr is not the most challenging thing ever, even 20$/hr is like a few years and basically one promotion away from the bottom tier or two if you apply yourself even with just a high school education. It's a very safe country. Medical is problematic but also so much better than even 50 years ago it's not even close. If you can have all of those things, then some people just don't give a shit about politics and enjoy their life.

Apathy: From success or demoralization. Either you don't care because as far as you're concerned nothing political really affects you and there's nothing you can really do about it -or- things are so shitty and bad and you're just one person and there's nothing you can do about it. Either way, you don't care.

Self-Determination: In large part decreased, and decreased a lot. A huge majority of people view life as "School > University > Career." That's the path. That's the only one for success, doesn't demand you think about what you truly want that much - just follow that path and you'll be fine. It's the rails they plan their lives by. As a result of this being so common, many people never question it. If you don't ask yourself "Is it really better that I work in an office job until 10PM staring at a screen 5 days a week for a few years looking for a promotion? What else could I do?" It's made things much more NPC like in many regards, and makes people less content as a result. Even when people stop think "What else could I do?" they just mostly think of doing some other job, weigh pros and cons, etc. They don't think things like "How would I prefer to spend my 24hrs?" so they can't even come to solutions that would improve their lives greatly. Like a horse with blinders.

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TheRedThirst 4 points ago +4 / -0

They don't think things like "How would I prefer to spend my 24hrs?" so they can't even come to solutions that would improve their lives greatly. Like a horse with blinders.

I mean sure, id be happy as a pig in shit to play vidya all day, but that doesnt pay the bills nor does it put my own kids through school. Im half way through a mortgage and your talking as if I could just drop everything and do what i want to make myself happy, I disagree, the sacrifice I make with my time to make my wife and childrens lives better is far more important, thats how I get my fulfilment.

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IWanttotalknow -1 points ago +2 / -3

I mean sure, id be happy as a pig in shit to play vidya all day, but that doesnt pay the bills nor does it put my own kids through school. Im half way through a mortgage and your talking as if I could just drop everything and do what i want to make myself happy, I disagree, the sacrifice I make with my time to make my wife and childrens lives better is far more important, thats how I get my fulfilment.

Why do you presume I meant people would chose to spend their 24 hours playing video games? That doesn't add up to me past a certain age.

My meaning was more between choosing a path of "Well, I guess I went to school, and now I'm working this office job where I spend 40 hours staring at a screen under fluorescent lights doing work I don't like, plus an hour and change in transit every day, but I guess that's how it is." vs. all the other options out there. Because there are other options out there. I've got a friend for example who doesn't have the kids but has the mortgage and works part time at a garage + also gets paid for picking up/delivering cars that are being sold long distance - he likes the driving, plus it pays pretty well to drive half way across the country, then back again. It's sure as hell not an office job, yet he's happier than at any office job he's worked.

Not saying office jobs are death, but like Peterson says, mostly people have jobs not careers. You can still provide for your family and find meaning in your work that way, but you can also find work that's more agreeable with you. There's a sense of "If I don't follow the path, rise up the ladder, then it's all awful, nothing else works." And that's blatantly untrue - we're just like horses with blinders in a sense, looking at that one solution, the whole highschool > uni > office thing. There are other options.

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ButterBadger 2 points ago +3 / -1

Agreed. Eventually there must be forceful pushback in order to defend oneself against attack, but every time anything even approaching that starts to emerge you get the chorus of "glow in the dark". How many strikes must one endure before retaliation is morally permitted?

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ZodShael 25 points ago +27 / -2

I think the answer is actually pretty simple. Westerners put money above all else and we live in a system where without money you're dead.

If I went and did something about it. I'd be fired and would have nobody to fall back on, no farm no community, etc. I'd be homeless, and hungry and without any prospects of ever working again. If another guy down the street wanted to support me, he's in the same boat.

And this spirals outward to the point where even the cop who supports me will be forced to arrest me, or else he's screwed. This goes up all the way until you either run into (((them))) or some crazy who's all for the current system, at which point you can no longer find any help or support.

This applies to the entire west since a lot of people are no longer where they used to live. I'm an immigrant and therefore have ZERO places to fall back on in my current country. That said, I at least could theoretically go back to my home country and start over there, assuming the blacklist doesn't reach that far. But people who immigrate within their own country have no real nearby community to help them out, just "friends" and a lot work colleges/acquaintances.

So in order to avoid the alternative, everyone just keeps their heads low or outright ignores the issue hoping someone else will do something about it. Additionally you have a massive amount of brainwashed morons (and women) who are completely ignorant of the issues and live in their own world.

The only thing that could possibly save the west at this point is complete economic collapse to the point where the banks and all central currency dies overnight. When your ability to make a living is no longer tied to your identity or dependent on others, that's when you'll see westerners rise up. If it ever happens.

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TentElephant 18 points ago +18 / -0

It isn't people's desire for money that is the problem. It is the Fed's fault for ruining money.

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Arkana 14 points ago +15 / -1 (edited)

Yeah regulating the currency however they want and generating 2% interest every year was designed to create a treadmill for people to run on. You need to keep hopping jobs because they don't increase wages enough to make up for it. Import enough people to depress wages and increase housing and food costs. Forced to go to University to take in their indoctrination so you get a piece of paper that lets employers know they can hire you. Etc.

The coup over the governments happened a long time ago, and most people didn't even realize it because the only places they got their information from were already compromised.

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lgbtqwtfbbq 9 points ago +9 / -0

I'd say it happened even earlier than that, when we moved away from the idea of the family farm and self-sufficiency toward living in the city and working in the factory. In my family I think my great-grandparents were the last generation who could truly have been said to be self-sufficient; after that everyone in my family has worked for someone.

Perhaps those days aren't coming back, but I still think something like a family business or a communal trust fund that each family member contributes to could probably help at least slow the treadmill down if not stop it entirely after a couple generations. Unfortunately that probably requires a level of financial sophistication that most people don't have, and the people most likely to benefit from such a system are the least likely to have the knowledge to construct it.

"Buy land, grow your own crops, raise your own livestock, pass it on to your kids to do the same" is certainly a simpler solution if not an easier one.

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Arkana 6 points ago +7 / -1

That doesn't work as well because of economies of scale. It's more efficient to centralize creating things that everybody uses. Not that it's better culturally, that's just how things work mathematically. You save time, effort, and resources by specializing and distributing.

I do wish that we would move more towards quality rather than quantity, but that is easier said than done.

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lgbtqwtfbbq 13 points ago +13 / -0

The price of specialization is dependency on others, which requires a certain amount of trust in the people one is depending on. And typically, centralization results in more single point failures, and increased efficiency results in less margin for error.

It's a clock that probably can't be turned back, which is why a literal "family farm" probably is a non-starter. But when they went away we also lost an important family-level safety net that never was replaced with anything.

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SufferableKant 7 points ago +7 / -0

Money is definitely an issue. You'll see that many of the people standing up to this can only do so because they have "Fuck You Money".

The average Joe in the street is not going to stand up if he knows that a mob of people from around the entire globe will spitefully channel their passion and anger to have him fired, made unemployable, divorced, separated from his children, and divorced.

But, even if we lived in a society where money was not a crucial factor in being able to live a decent life, these people would still do their best to ostracise dissidents. Even if you pose no direct threat to them, you will need to be dealt with to set an example to the rest. Family, friends and colleagues will not want to be associated with you, because they know the far-left's stance on Guilt by Association.

They might not be able to ruin you financially, but they would still hold the power to do so socially.

And they have such an entrenched belief that they are on the right side of history, that I believe they would not be above using violence to further their aims, as they know full well that the legal system, the government, mainstream media, big corps, and social media are all on their side.

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Steampunk_Moustache 15 points ago +15 / -0

As the 'far right' correctly predicted in 2005, Europe is being Islamized. Islamic sensibilities WILL become dominant for the simple reason that the European governments refuse to defend their own people, and their own people are too mollified with bread and circuses to replace their governments.

As long as the economy keeps ticking over and the supply chains stay intact - as long as people aren't starving have access to cheap entertainment - nothing will happen.

And in a century, Europe will be an Islamic continent.

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SufferableKant 11 points ago +11 / -0

To anyone interested in this topic, I'd recommend The Strange Death of Europe, and The Madness of Crowds by Douglas Murray. Alternatively, search for his name on YouTube and pick whoever your favourite interviewer is.

On topic: It's a myriad of things.

One of which I've heard of recently calls the ultra-progressive social justice movement a "Luxury Belief System". Instead of showing how well off you are by buying an expensive car, or living in an upper class neighbourhood, your signal your high status via your (political) beliefs.

Another is the idea of Biological Leninism. To paraphrase, the far-left panders to all the degenerates and (previously) low status people in society, and becomes the only group offering them social status. This creates the staunchest of allies, as they know that if they stop supporting the cause, they'll lose all their ill-gotten social status.

The third idea I'll offer is the idea of a God-Shaped Hole. In the absence of a religion which they believe strongly in, people with lesser convictions (to phrase it politely) are more likely to fall for the cult tactics that the more radical and extremist left utilises.

The most interesting facet of this situation is the role that ubiquitous social media has played in propagating these ideas. Everything you say is being judged. The posts you like and the people you follow must pass muster with your peers. When the mob gathers, you need to chant the correct words at the correct times, or they'll turn on you next.

And the scariest thing is, you will be bullied by people who don't believe in truth, logic, or facts. They unironically believe that people's feelings and emotions matter, and that objective truth is just a tool used to oppress the underprivileged.

How do you reason with these kind of people?

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Norenia -10 points ago +8 / -18

Have yet to see you do anything about it, glowy.