My dog is 130lbs. He has long hair and he looks like a wolf. He's majestic, beautiful, and terrifying to anyone who doesn't know that he's just a dog. His head is the size of a football, his snout is longer than my hand. He is very strong and his teeth are razor sharp, he once turned a possom into two half-possoms.
Being purebred, his genes are close to a wolf's and so he has strong instincts. The speed that he runs out my back door is incredibly, all to satisfy his urge to hunt whatever unfortunate critters may be in my yard. He's protective and territorial, natural instincts that can manifest into dangerous behavior; so it is very, very important to properly train a dog of this size.
His motivation for his domestication was the treats I gave him as a puppy. Food and shelter is enough to change the animal from a savage to a companion.
Immigrants should have something similar. Just like my dog is treat-motivated, people are money-motivated. In a normal world, an immigrant is rewarded with wealth and status if they behave according to the culture's expectations (getting a job and contributing to society).
What would happen if I gave my dog unlimited treats while raising him? He'd keep begging, keep eating, he'd get fat and I'd go broke. Worse yet, he wouldn't learn to behave properly and that means that he could seriously hurt someone. But this is expected. So why expect differently with immigrants?
We used to have poor immigrants who assimilated and contributed to the country so much that they are part of our history. Liberals say "immigrants built America" and there's definitely some truth to that (although "built" is a generalization). Now we have rich immigrants who don't need to get jobs. What do you expect?
I disagree with the argument that those poor immigrants of the past were from Europe so assimilation wasn't a huge change for them. It's not true. The Chinese who built our railroads stopped eating dogs when they came here, they did what they could to make a better life for their families which often meant working indentured in grueling conditions. There is an entire genre of Chinese films about Chinese immigrants balancing the new world with family and tradition.
I guess my point is that immigrants have no reason to assimilate. Why even learn English when the aisles at the grocery store, the menu at the drive-thru, the drivers license form, are all in Spanish? Why get a job when welfare pays for your 7 kids? It's more profitable to siesta a bang your senorita all day to make more Paco's and Juan's and Maria's and Titos.
The west is occupied.
Immigrants NEVER assimilated. That is a myth. The jews prove that it is a lie. If assimilation happens, then there would be no more jews. They would be English, or German, or Russian, or Italian and have no claim to be jewish. But they exist, and assimilation is proven a lie.
It turns out that raw sewage sewage doesn't magically become water when it's dumped in a lake. It just shits up the lake. Who knew?
All those folktales about ugly witches with stupid names, big hook noses and scraggly hair that live on the fringes of society and why children should avoid them...
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That's the worst, most atypical metric to use of human behavior. Immigrants do adapt, but only up to a point and that point is entirely dependent on how similar their cultures were to start with. Drop a Englishman in France and he'll be a fish out of water for a while, but adopt local conventions. He'll never be French but will try not to be disruptive and won't try to turn France into England. Because even though they're different cultures, they have similar values.
If you have a group with the core values of taking everything you can and every one else being their slaves, of course even slight assimilation is impossible
Genetics.
This is a particularly interesting example because the Normans conquered England in 1066 and brought a heckuva lot of French influence to it. In the end, however, that influence was successfully assimilated and England retains a distinct identity. (up until recently)
Except they are not the only group to not assimilate. The Irish still have enclaves, and south Europeans are even worse. Essentially if the group forms an ethnic mafia they are not compatible. That include the Irish, Chinese, all Hispanics, Italians, Serbians, Macedonians, and many more. The only group that may be able to assimilate into Northern European culture would be the Japanese, and that is doubtful, as they form corporate cartels easily.
No I don't agree with the notion that our cultural values are too distant to allow for assimilation, I went over this when discussing Chinese immigrants in the 1800s. The reason they do not assimilate is because there is no benefit to doing so.
If the immigrants core values are to steal and rape and murder, and the culture they are invading disagrees with those values, than they will end up in prison unless they change their behavior to better suit the culture they are parasiting on. That is, in a sane world. The immigrant's values that the culture does not tolerate must be subdued and the immigrant must not act upon them or else they will face consequences in that society, such as jail. Likewise, in order to gain wealth or status, the immigrant must change their behavior to align with the cultures values instead, such as getting a job.
That'd how it should be. But instead they receive wealth without supporting society due to Jews stealing your money. And they do not get severely punished when they steal or rape or murder. So there is ZERO reason to change from their traditions.
It doesn't matter how distant the culture is. If the a western country simply enforced laws against immigrants and stopped giving them free gibs, than they would have to assimilate. Even an Alien whose culture is literally from another world would assimilate for it is the only path to success and any of that Alien's strange traditions that go against the cultures values would be suppressed by the Alien if they wanted to live in the society without consequence.
It has nothing to do with the values that they bring, it has everything to do with values they keep. The systems that hold our values up has been dismantled from the inside and THAT ALONE is why immigrants don't assimilate.
I guess I was thinking more about organic assimilation. Of course you can get results with strong pressure over a couple generations, unless you're dealing with a population that actually lacks the mental capacity.
Not generations, immediate results. If we had fair systems that treated all people equally than our core western values would be defended. If they went to jail for crimes and needed employment to thrive than that's all it would take for them to stop doing crimes and start getting jobs. It'd be overnight, not "generations". When certain behaviors led to consequences while other certain behaviors led to wealth, people behave however is best for themselves or their families.
Natural assimilation, to me, means when assimilation happens naturally (duh). Like how different species of birds may flock together if it is mutually beneficials. Or how domesticated pets have assimilated into human households.
And IQ plays no role either; my dog behaves so well that I allow him in my home despite his savage instincts and low intelligence. Meanwhile immigrants behave so poorly that I don't want anywhere in my country, despite having higher intelligence than dogs, the ability to speak and learn, and every welfare possible provided for them.
Literally all it takes is them not getting free money and the criminals being arrested. If life here required work for them, like it does for us, than they wouldn't come anymore. Many would leave.
Fella, I came to the USA around the age of five as an immigrant. I've been here over fifty years, and I'm more fucking American then a lot of younger people these days.
Don't throw out the baby with the kikes.
No. You have to leave. You do not belong and never will.
Nah. Go fuck yourself.
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Most Jews throughout history assimilated and disappeared as a distinct people. Look at Spanish Jews: the vast majority converted and became Spanish Catholics (some very faithful ones, Teresa of Avila had converso ancestry), while a small remainder was expelled.
This isn't the counter argument that you think it is. Spaniards aren't white, precisely because of their miscegenation.
But you weren't talking about who is white and who isn't. You were talking about whether Jews assimilate. They do, and Spain proves that at least, regardless of whether you call them white, black or purple.
Culture and ethnicity are inseparable.
Jews are an exception to just about everything I've said. They have a Frankist value of fake converting while retaining their core values and traditions in secret. Their two main profits, Sabatai Zevi and Jacob Frank, both "converted" to Islam or Christianity while telling their followers to do the same as a form of invasion.
its a good analogy but the immigrants they import here are the worst of the worst, and they come here purely because we give them free gibs and allow them to rape our women/children with impunity because jews rule the court system and mr abdul had a "sexual emergency"
a good comparison to niggers and shitskins would not be wolves, it would be something akin to a pitbull
a pitbull even with training will sometimes have the urge to murder a child because his instincts are that of a demon.
I'm comparing them to untrained dogs who have savage instincts, which is dehumanizing but the general idea still applies: a dangerous lack of discipline without motivational rewards and discouraging consequences.
The breed of the dog does not matter for all dogs can be trained properly into companions who actively ignore their savage instincts. Yes, even pitbulls; the tragedies you mention are all from improper training (Nog's dogfight pitbulls then release them, then these traumatized beasts get adopted by idiot liberal women who post hourly pictures of their mulatto baby next to it). But the analogy works slightly better with my German Shepherd because of his stronger instincts due to having genes more close to a wolf's.
On point. If they needed a job to get wealth and if they went to jail for crimes, than they would have to assimilate. The real problem is the unfair, two-tiered systems of law and welfare.
This is actually false. Pitbulls from breeders, not dogfighting rings, have snapped and murdered children. There's a case every few years. Most pitbulls will not do this, but if you get one with the wrong genes and you put it in a Sam Hyde self-defense situation...
And who nare those breeders? Who are those children? There is a stonetoss comic that shows this elegantly.
When it comes to pitbulls, most are bred by dogfighters. The breeders are thugs 100% of the time. If you get a pitbull as a puppy and imprint on them, and train them properly, there is no chance of them "snapping".
Go look into dog adoption in your town as if you hypothetically wanted to get a pitbull, you'll find that every shelter will be mostly pitbulls. You won't find any legitimate breeders but you'll find pitbull puppies in your hometown's Craigslist page or maybe on Facebook marketplace, but note the color of the breeder and the neighborhood theyll want to meet.
How do you afford to feed him holy lol
He eats the neighborhood hoodrats.
Lol jk, he eats A LOT of kibble. Yeah it's quite expensive, and I have other dogs too.
So I take it you're not a cat person then?
I like cats. I just don't like how they kill birds. And I wouldn't get one because my dogs would eat it. I had a cat growing up.
I have no hate for cats. But I'm definitely a "dog person".
Dehumanizing? Sounds like common sense to me.
Comparing people to dogs is dehumanizing by definition. Although I like dogs more so the comparison is more insulting to them than it is to immigrants.