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Interesting Christopher Caldwell quote on the Venezuela coup
posted 152 days ago by AntonioOfVenice 152 days ago by AntonioOfVenice +30 / -0

Empires seem to deploy their powers to the maximum, desisting only when they no longer have the wherewithal. We may soon be reminded that it was American decline that put Mr. Trump in a position to set American foreign policy in the first place.

https://archive.is/lRGq2

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– AntonioOfVenice [S] 5 points 152 days ago +5 / -0

You repeated yourself rather than addressing the point.

No accountability doesn't mean anything. No one was held accountable for the Iraq War, which you claim to have opposed. By your logic, that didn't weaken America.

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– dagthegnome 1 point 152 days ago +1 / -0

I'll keep repeating the point until you address it. If you're free to do whatever you want and there's nothing else anybody can do about it, how does that make you weak?

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– AntonioOfVenice [S] 3 points 152 days ago +3 / -0

I'll keep repeating the point until you address it

So I need to repeat how absurd it is to claim that someone is 'so called right wing' for believing now what he believed five days ago?

If you're free to do whatever you want and there's nothing else anybody can do about it, how does that make you weak?

Did the Iraq War weaken America?

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– dagthegnome 1 point 152 days ago +1 / -0
  1. The hand-wringing, pearl-clutching black-pilling talking heads who are whining about this action are the same concern-trolll mob that goes balls-to-the-wall with criticism every time Trump or any other populist does fucking anything. From Tim Pool to Tucker to Owens to Fuentes to Thomas Massie and Rand Paul to the Academic Agent and his black-pilled cabal of terminally-online losers, none of them were ever as vociferous in their criticism of Biden or any other globalist leader as they are of the populist right, and that's when they're not openly advocating voting for leftists. That you assert they believe the same thing they believed five days ago is nowhere near as significant as the fact that what they believe always conveniently leads them into fits of hysterical counter-signalling every time Trump does anything, and that the alternative they propose is always that he should have just done nothing instead.

  2. America weakened itself by wasting an enormous amount of time, resources and blood on a decades-long conflict in Iraq. And despite your efforts to compare the two situations, Trump has done the exact opposite of that here. They're not the same thing, and you can't convince me they are by just saying it over and over again.

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– AntonioOfVenice [S] 2 points 152 days ago +2 / -0

The hand-wringing, pearl-clutching black-pilling talking heads ...whining...concern-troll mob...black-pilled cabal...terminally-online losers

Do you think this strengthens your arguments?

every time Trump or any other populist does fucking anything

I think that their criticism is that Trump does nothing actually populist, but is doing a lot of neocon things.

none of them were ever as vociferous in their criticism of Biden or any other globalist leader as they are of the populist right

This has tinges of "why aren't you criticizing Sudan, eh"? Because they helped Trump get into office, and they expect him to honor his campaign pledges, instead of waging neocon wars for oil and wars for Israel. You need to hold your own accountable.

That you assert they believe the same thing they believed five days ago

Unlike you and the Born Again neocon psychos.

is nowhere near as significant as the fact that what they believe always conveniently leads them into fits of hysterical counter-signalling every time Trump does anything

It's funny that you never specify what they counter-signal. A mindless war of aggression. Sounds less good when you say that they 'counter-singla every time Trump does a war of aggression' than when you say 'Trump does anything'. Trump isn't eating ice-cream. He's bombing countries and killing innocent people without any fig-leaf.

and that the alternative they propose is always that he should have just done nothing instead.

Yeah, doing nothing is better than doing stupid and evil things. This shouldn't be new to you if you're an adult.

dagthegnome: "Hey, I'm going to eat my shit."
Antonio: "Maybe not do that, friend."
dagthegnome: "And the alternative is to do NOTHING? You're always counter-signaling whenever I do anything. Sorry, I'd rather do something than nothing. Mmmmmm... "

America weakened itself by wasting an enormous amount of time, resources and blood on a decades-long conflict in Iraq.

As I said in another thread, if the Iraq War weakened the United States as much as leftists and so-called rightwing pundits are insisting they have, then I will wait patiently to see what the international community is going to do about it. I'm waiting to see Bush brought to justice for his crimes against international law. What are they going to do about it?

And despite your efforts to compare the two situations, Trump has done the exact opposite of that here.

Regime change in Iraq, regime change in Venezuela. It's the "exact opposite" because you don't want your latest adventure compared to what is now recognized as a disaster, but wasn't at the time by all the same people who now advocate this.

They're not the same thing

Yes, they have different coordinates in spacetime. They are both stupid neocon regime change wars of aggression though.

and you can't convince me

You couldn't be convinced that the sky is blue.

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– ZeroPercentCamoIndex 1 point 151 days ago +1 / -0

Tim Pool is doing apologetics for this move. Even Tucker is relatively mild on this, with a vaguely reprimanding Christian spiel about might doesn't make right but 'at least Trump is being honest! whatever happened now, it's done - I hope you guys know what you're doing!', and also just hosted Cernovich who is wholly supportive of kidnapping Maduro. Fuentes is full on Trump cheerleader now in his new flavour of the week. The assertion that several of the names you listed were not as critical of Biden as they are of the right is untrue, to put it mildly, except for Fuentes who is the most obvious fed. To the extent that ecelebs are relevant at all, you've ignored the weirdest glaring behaviour of some.

You sound like you're inside a fake online matrix and are a bit too terminally online yourself. If you like talking heads try the latest Clint Russell/Liberty Lockdown video, where he accurately points out the hypocrisy of practically everyone.

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