Empires seem to deploy their powers to the maximum, desisting only when they no longer have the wherewithal. We may soon be reminded that it was American decline that put Mr. Trump in a position to set American foreign policy in the first place.
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I'll keep repeating the point until you address it. If you're free to do whatever you want and there's nothing else anybody can do about it, how does that make you weak?
So I need to repeat how absurd it is to claim that someone is 'so called right wing' for believing now what he believed five days ago?
Did the Iraq War weaken America?
The hand-wringing, pearl-clutching black-pilling talking heads who are whining about this action are the same concern-trolll mob that goes balls-to-the-wall with criticism every time Trump or any other populist does fucking anything. From Tim Pool to Tucker to Owens to Fuentes to Thomas Massie and Rand Paul to the Academic Agent and his black-pilled cabal of terminally-online losers, none of them were ever as vociferous in their criticism of Biden or any other globalist leader as they are of the populist right, and that's when they're not openly advocating voting for leftists. That you assert they believe the same thing they believed five days ago is nowhere near as significant as the fact that what they believe always conveniently leads them into fits of hysterical counter-signalling every time Trump does anything, and that the alternative they propose is always that he should have just done nothing instead.
America weakened itself by wasting an enormous amount of time, resources and blood on a decades-long conflict in Iraq. And despite your efforts to compare the two situations, Trump has done the exact opposite of that here. They're not the same thing, and you can't convince me they are by just saying it over and over again.
Do you think this strengthens your arguments?
I think that their criticism is that Trump does nothing actually populist, but is doing a lot of neocon things.
This has tinges of "why aren't you criticizing Sudan, eh"? Because they helped Trump get into office, and they expect him to honor his campaign pledges, instead of waging neocon wars for oil and wars for Israel. You need to hold your own accountable.
Unlike you and the Born Again neocon psychos.
It's funny that you never specify what they counter-signal. A mindless war of aggression. Sounds less good when you say that they 'counter-singla every time Trump does a war of aggression' than when you say 'Trump does anything'. Trump isn't eating ice-cream. He's bombing countries and killing innocent people without any fig-leaf.
Yeah, doing nothing is better than doing stupid and evil things. This shouldn't be new to you if you're an adult.
dagthegnome: "Hey, I'm going to eat my shit."
Antonio: "Maybe not do that, friend."
dagthegnome: "And the alternative is to do NOTHING? You're always counter-signaling whenever I do anything. Sorry, I'd rather do something than nothing. Mmmmmm... "
As I said in another thread, if the Iraq War weakened the United States as much as leftists and so-called rightwing pundits are insisting they have, then I will wait patiently to see what the international community is going to do about it. I'm waiting to see Bush brought to justice for his crimes against international law. What are they going to do about it?
Regime change in Iraq, regime change in Venezuela. It's the "exact opposite" because you don't want your latest adventure compared to what is now recognized as a disaster, but wasn't at the time by all the same people who now advocate this.
Yes, they have different coordinates in spacetime. They are both stupid neocon regime change wars of aggression though.
You couldn't be convinced that the sky is blue.
Where's the lie, though?
Yes, literally everything the US does outside its own borders is neocon.
Nick Fuentes helped Trump get into office by repeatedly encouraging his audience not to vote for Trump, calling Tim Walz a real white guy and a sincere politician (02:22:20) and glazing Kamala's "brat" astroturf? Tim Pool helped Trump get into office by endorsing RFK? Candace Owens helped Trump get into office by endorsing Vivek?
It is not neocon for the US to assert its dominance in its own hemisphere. There is no liberal ideological push here to "spread democracy." Trump doesn't seem to care who runs Venezuela so long as they're not a Chinese puppet that traffics drugs into the United States, interferes in US elections and bribes US officials.
Do you think this strengthens your arguments?
Yes. Hey, Trump, there's a Chinese client state in our hemisphere that's one of the world's top cocaine producers responsible for funneling drugs into our country, and tampering with US elections. But it would be stupid and evil for you to take any action that might put a stop to that. Taking action against hostile powers that threaten US security and sovereignty is neocon, dontcha know?
What kind of MAGA did you think they were voting for?
There is no ongoing US occupation of Venezuela. There was never a US occupation of Venezuela. There are no American troops in Venezuela. Let it go, man.
The sky is blue. I have seen pretty convincing evidence of that. I have seen no evidence that the US incursion into Venezuela bears even the remotest resemblance to the Iraq war, and I've seen plenty of evidence to the contrary. I invite you to try and convince me.
Tim Pool is doing apologetics for this move. Even Tucker is relatively mild on this, with a vaguely reprimanding Christian spiel about might doesn't make right but 'at least Trump is being honest! whatever happened now, it's done - I hope you guys know what you're doing!', and also just hosted Cernovich who is wholly supportive of kidnapping Maduro. Fuentes is full on Trump cheerleader now in his new flavour of the week. The assertion that several of the names you listed were not as critical of Biden as they are of the right is untrue, to put it mildly, except for Fuentes who is the most obvious fed. To the extent that ecelebs are relevant at all, you've ignored the weirdest glaring behaviour of some.
You sound like you're inside a fake online matrix and are a bit too terminally online yourself. If you like talking heads try the latest Clint Russell/Liberty Lockdown video, where he accurately points out the hypocrisy of practically everyone.
Tucker asking if Trump wanted Maduro gone because he wouldn't allow gay marriage in Venezuela was not relatively mild: it was head-bashingly stupid.