I wasn't a kirk follower so this is all new to me.
Appears he was a standard Israel shill up until a few months ago he started to question things. It means he didn't realize his role as a sociopathic lying propagandist like other Israelis, he actually believed what they were telling them. So when he realized it was all lies, that made him mad.
Someone like that is actually a pretty big risk because you can't just write them off as a crank (as people in this thread are doing even now). The sense of betrayal drives them to a great level of resistance.
He didn't, but fabulist stories about Israel threatening to kill him were circulating by Harrison Smith of Info Wars going back a couple of months ago. I suspect this stuff was circulated to boost Kirk's credibility among Israel critics, but it could have also just been engagement bait.
? Outlaw says he though was a normie boomercon, arch says he was and didn't change his mind and this is circulating to boost his credibility I say you can see videos of him talking proving he was changing his mind. I'm still half asleep, what am I missing?
Like him or not (and I was never a big fan for reasons unrelated to Israel), he had been opening his mind from the moment that the Iran War made the tide turn against Israel.
He invited Tucker Carlson. He had a debate on Israel between Dave Smith and a hack, which he moderated without putting his finger on the scale. He strongly opposed the Iran War (but of course had to cover for Trump in the end).
Some people spend as much time obsessing over Israel as they do breathing, constantly looking for hidden code words and secret signals that prove the Mossad is behind every single thing that happens in the world. If there's the tiniest angle that might be a way to connect something to what they think Israel is, their mind latches on and won't let go no matter what.
You're not completely wrong, but there is some small amount of circumstantial evidence. One is that Kirk had started becoming increasingly critical of Israel. Two, there were some comments from before the assassination claiming that Israel threatened to kill him. Three, how professionally this was done, and how the shooter got away - at least initially. That was the time when I wondered if it could be Israel.
Of course, this isn't very strong evidence. I'd say maybe 1-2% chance that Israel was involved.
You can find circumstantial evidence for anything if you're looking for it. Going from "he said things that were critical of Israel recently" to "the Mossad plotted to murder Charlie Kirk" is totally insane behavior, absolutely no connection to reality whatsoever. A real Mossad hit looks like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Mahmoud_Al-Mabhouh, not a guy shooting a guy in broad daylight and then sending a Discord message to his gay roommate to make a 4 hour drive to pick up the gun.
If you say with certainty that they did it, that is crazy.
On the other hand, are you saying that you are absolutely sure that they had no involvement? There is more circumstantial evidence than there is for Russher or Burkina Faso, don't you agree?
Wasn't he just a millennial boomercon? I didn't follow him very closely but he never struck me as the type to deviate from the GOP's line on Israel.
I wasn't a kirk follower so this is all new to me.
Appears he was a standard Israel shill up until a few months ago he started to question things. It means he didn't realize his role as a sociopathic lying propagandist like other Israelis, he actually believed what they were telling them. So when he realized it was all lies, that made him mad.
Someone like that is actually a pretty big risk because you can't just write them off as a crank (as people in this thread are doing even now). The sense of betrayal drives them to a great level of resistance.
https://www.unz.com/article/who-killed-charlie-kirk-the-case-against-israel/
He didn't, but fabulist stories about Israel threatening to kill him were circulating by Harrison Smith of Info Wars going back a couple of months ago. I suspect this stuff was circulated to boost Kirk's credibility among Israel critics, but it could have also just been engagement bait.
You know there's videos of Charlie talking online right? He absolutely was changing his mind, he wasn't a zioshill robot
That….wasnt what he said?
? Outlaw says he though was a normie boomercon, arch says he was and didn't change his mind and this is circulating to boost his credibility I say you can see videos of him talking proving he was changing his mind. I'm still half asleep, what am I missing?
Like him or not (and I was never a big fan for reasons unrelated to Israel), he had been opening his mind from the moment that the Iran War made the tide turn against Israel.
He invited Tucker Carlson. He had a debate on Israel between Dave Smith and a hack, which he moderated without putting his finger on the scale. He strongly opposed the Iran War (but of course had to cover for Trump in the end).
Him platforming Carlson is a more realistic reason I could see Jews being pissed with him. Carlson has really made them mad lately.
Some people spend as much time obsessing over Israel as they do breathing, constantly looking for hidden code words and secret signals that prove the Mossad is behind every single thing that happens in the world. If there's the tiniest angle that might be a way to connect something to what they think Israel is, their mind latches on and won't let go no matter what.
You're not completely wrong, but there is some small amount of circumstantial evidence. One is that Kirk had started becoming increasingly critical of Israel. Two, there were some comments from before the assassination claiming that Israel threatened to kill him. Three, how professionally this was done, and how the shooter got away - at least initially. That was the time when I wondered if it could be Israel.
Of course, this isn't very strong evidence. I'd say maybe 1-2% chance that Israel was involved.
You can find circumstantial evidence for anything if you're looking for it. Going from "he said things that were critical of Israel recently" to "the Mossad plotted to murder Charlie Kirk" is totally insane behavior, absolutely no connection to reality whatsoever. A real Mossad hit looks like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Mahmoud_Al-Mabhouh, not a guy shooting a guy in broad daylight and then sending a Discord message to his gay roommate to make a 4 hour drive to pick up the gun.
If you say with certainty that they did it, that is crazy.
On the other hand, are you saying that you are absolutely sure that they had no involvement? There is more circumstantial evidence than there is for Russher or Burkina Faso, don't you agree?