Apologies if this is a really obvious thought, but... I really don't like not knowing how true this is or how true Israel's claims are. There must be some truth to at least some of one party's claims, but the information war has been so obfuscated that it's impossible to be properly educated on the subject. We hear about the I/P conflict endlessly, and every time I do, I end up unsatisfied and frustrated on not being able to land on who's right or wrong or what's even remotely true.
There must be some truth to at least some of one party's claims
There's your first mistake!
There was NO "truth" in the Russiagate files. None. Every bit of it was faked by Hillary's boys. They'd done it before! The exact same thing: made a "dossier" of crimes, fed it to a willing press & the candidate was forced to drop out.
Nothing Hamas says is true. They have lied about everything for the entire time they (and the PLO before them) have existed. Why? Because Allah told them to. It is not a sin to lie to infidels, or to rape them, or to kill them, especially the Jews. It is required to bring about the 12th Caliphate & usher in the leader who will unite Islam under his (not hers, not theirs!) banner and subjugate the entire planet.
If Allah tells you to do it? You do it "with gusto!"
Just one example: Hospital bombed by IDF helicopter (or jet bomber, or missile, the story was ever evolving, eh?) in the middle of the night and 500 killed! An entire wing destroyed! They printed the names the next day, it must be true!
Reality: a mis-fire from a Hamas group's rocket barrage fell on the hospital parking lot. It was live-streamed by Al-Jazeera! There was a tiny "crater" and a few burned cars, that was it, it didn't even break any windows of the hospital. If anyone was killed it was because they were in the lot watching the rockets being launched & praising Allah for it.
& etc.
You do know that Judaism revolves around deceit and making Goyim the slaves of the Chosen people right? Why would you believe Israel over Hamas? Israel has entire military units specialized in information warfare.
Saying Israel lies so you shouldn't believe them over Hamas, doesn't negate that Hamas lies just as much.
Fuck em both, stop giving either side any money or political power. It is long past time for everyone to just let the Middle East sort their own shit out.
Yes. But that would be very anti-semitic. In the end it's not Hamas nor any other Arab faction that forces the US to be involved in and to finance this whole mess.
Not for a lack of progs trying. Where have you guys been for the past 20 years of progs saying we should supply Hamas instead of Israel, of progs spamming Al-Jazeera and trying to force the Muzzie version of AIPAC onto us? Hamas are not our friends, they're not neutral. They're just not as good at influencing the West right now.
There is no Muzzi version of AIPAC. There will never be a Muzzie version of AIPAC. AIPAC has special privileges as the only lobby organization that doesn't have to register as a foreign agent and funnily enough the only person who was about to force them to register got his brains blown out. Ah yes and Muslims aren't vastly overrepresentated in media, politics, finance, academia etc.
Hamas are not our friends, they're not neutral. They're just not as good at influencing the West right now.
Pretending that Hamas is some powerful international boogeyman is ridiculous. Hamas has been created and funded with Israeli approval. Qatar funded Hamas with 2 billion with the explicit approval of Bibi/Israel.
Even October 7th could only happen because Bibi wanted it to happen. At this point everybody who isn't a mouthbreathing retard should realize that the official version of an unexpected sneak attack is complete bullshit. Also a majority of civilian casualties was probably caused by the idiotic hannibal doctrine and general bloodthirsty nature of the IDF.
And before you call bullshit remember these complete fucking idiots shot their own hostages walking towards them unarmed and waving a white flag.
100%... neither side is trustworthy... I am sure there is a tidbit of truth in both sides accusations. How much, and where it is - I care not. As I have said, as you have said, as most people in the West now are at least thinking ....
Fuck them both. Let them both kill each other over there. Out job is to just deport all of them back to their respective shitholes.
Why? Because Hamas are immoral terrorists who have not once told the truth since 10/7. Except when they live-streamed their atrocities & crimes against humanity. That was "truthful" I suppose. Otherwise it's all lies & the Western Media swallows them.
In this specific case though, one side ALWAYS provably lies. Hamas never tells the truth, nor do the AP stooges or other Western Media.
At least the IDF does most of the time, and sometimes there's lies due to there being a war on and they're protecting important things. Are they 100%? Of course not. But they usually back up their statements with hard facts.
Hamas: there's a famine! The IDF are starving the people! They refuse to allow relief trucks into Gaza!
IDF: there is no famine, if people are starving it's because Hamas is stealing the UN trucks (provides multiple video proof) which is why the UN is demanding the IDF escort them. The UN had many thousands of tons of food INSIDE Gaza (provides video proof) but won't deliver it. Also, the IDF lets lots of truck into Gaza (provides proof) but refuses to allow Hamas to hijack them.
This is a case where there is no 'equivalence' none at all. One is a probable 80% truthful and the other is 0.00%.
I end up unsatisfied and frustrated on not being able to land on who's right or wrong or what's even remotely true.
I hate both sides and hope they wipe each other out. Palestine can't win militarily, but through their slaughter they're demonstrating the true nature of jews. Once boomers die out, support for israel will evaporate in the west.
I wouldn't look at israels claims. I would look at the past and assume a set standard of brutality. Look at Abu Gharib, look at the CIA, look at Nuremberg. Based in that I assume the worst now.
Should also mention, having been in contact with actual feds in the past..these subhumans are exactly the types who would engage in these activities (and more) then go home and sleep soundly.
Apologies if this is a really obvious thought, but... I really don't like not knowing how true this is or how true Israel's claims are. There must be some truth to at least some of one party's claims, but the information war has been so obfuscated that it's impossible to be properly educated on the subject. We hear about the I/P conflict endlessly, and every time I do, I end up unsatisfied and frustrated on not being able to land on who's right or wrong or what's even remotely true.
There's your first mistake!
There was NO "truth" in the Russiagate files. None. Every bit of it was faked by Hillary's boys. They'd done it before! The exact same thing: made a "dossier" of crimes, fed it to a willing press & the candidate was forced to drop out.
Nothing Hamas says is true. They have lied about everything for the entire time they (and the PLO before them) have existed. Why? Because Allah told them to. It is not a sin to lie to infidels, or to rape them, or to kill them, especially the Jews. It is required to bring about the 12th Caliphate & usher in the leader who will unite Islam under his (not hers, not theirs!) banner and subjugate the entire planet.
If Allah tells you to do it? You do it "with gusto!"
Just one example: Hospital bombed by IDF helicopter (or jet bomber, or missile, the story was ever evolving, eh?) in the middle of the night and 500 killed! An entire wing destroyed! They printed the names the next day, it must be true!
Reality: a mis-fire from a Hamas group's rocket barrage fell on the hospital parking lot. It was live-streamed by Al-Jazeera! There was a tiny "crater" and a few burned cars, that was it, it didn't even break any windows of the hospital. If anyone was killed it was because they were in the lot watching the rockets being launched & praising Allah for it.
& etc.
You do know that Judaism revolves around deceit and making Goyim the slaves of the Chosen people right? Why would you believe Israel over Hamas? Israel has entire military units specialized in information warfare.
Saying Israel lies so you shouldn't believe them over Hamas, doesn't negate that Hamas lies just as much.
Fuck em both, stop giving either side any money or political power. It is long past time for everyone to just let the Middle East sort their own shit out.
Yes. But that would be very anti-semitic. In the end it's not Hamas nor any other Arab faction that forces the US to be involved in and to finance this whole mess.
Not for a lack of progs trying. Where have you guys been for the past 20 years of progs saying we should supply Hamas instead of Israel, of progs spamming Al-Jazeera and trying to force the Muzzie version of AIPAC onto us? Hamas are not our friends, they're not neutral. They're just not as good at influencing the West right now.
There is no Muzzi version of AIPAC. There will never be a Muzzie version of AIPAC. AIPAC has special privileges as the only lobby organization that doesn't have to register as a foreign agent and funnily enough the only person who was about to force them to register got his brains blown out. Ah yes and Muslims aren't vastly overrepresentated in media, politics, finance, academia etc.
Pretending that Hamas is some powerful international boogeyman is ridiculous. Hamas has been created and funded with Israeli approval. Qatar funded Hamas with 2 billion with the explicit approval of Bibi/Israel.
Even October 7th could only happen because Bibi wanted it to happen. At this point everybody who isn't a mouthbreathing retard should realize that the official version of an unexpected sneak attack is complete bullshit. Also a majority of civilian casualties was probably caused by the idiotic hannibal doctrine and general bloodthirsty nature of the IDF.
And before you call bullshit remember these complete fucking idiots shot their own hostages walking towards them unarmed and waving a white flag.
CAIR, the Muslim Brotherhood, Salaf/Wahhabi funding circles.
100%... neither side is trustworthy... I am sure there is a tidbit of truth in both sides accusations. How much, and where it is - I care not. As I have said, as you have said, as most people in the West now are at least thinking ....
Fuck them both. Let them both kill each other over there. Out job is to just deport all of them back to their respective shitholes.
Why? Because Hamas are immoral terrorists who have not once told the truth since 10/7. Except when they live-streamed their atrocities & crimes against humanity. That was "truthful" I suppose. Otherwise it's all lies & the Western Media swallows them.
Let me guess. You also believe that the attempted sinking of the USS Liberty was accidental right?
Trivial. Shit happens. Hamas deliberately targets civilians, including women and children. You believe that is accidental? 🤔
Not even trying to pretend I see.
Not even trying to think, reason or use logic. Typical.
"Over"? The default should be skepticism for all claims.
Yes.
Even the rubble lies
That's what I'm saying, though. Both parties call each other liars and that must be true at least some of the time.
In this specific case though, one side ALWAYS provably lies. Hamas never tells the truth, nor do the AP stooges or other Western Media.
At least the IDF does most of the time, and sometimes there's lies due to there being a war on and they're protecting important things. Are they 100%? Of course not. But they usually back up their statements with hard facts.
Hamas: there's a famine! The IDF are starving the people! They refuse to allow relief trucks into Gaza!
IDF: there is no famine, if people are starving it's because Hamas is stealing the UN trucks (provides multiple video proof) which is why the UN is demanding the IDF escort them. The UN had many thousands of tons of food INSIDE Gaza (provides video proof) but won't deliver it. Also, the IDF lets lots of truck into Gaza (provides proof) but refuses to allow Hamas to hijack them.
This is a case where there is no 'equivalence' none at all. One is a probable 80% truthful and the other is 0.00%.
I hate both sides and hope they wipe each other out. Palestine can't win militarily, but through their slaughter they're demonstrating the true nature of jews. Once boomers die out, support for israel will evaporate in the west.
You are encountering the fog of war. The only chance we'll ever get any idea of what actually happened is long after this conflict is over.
I wouldn't look at israels claims. I would look at the past and assume a set standard of brutality. Look at Abu Gharib, look at the CIA, look at Nuremberg. Based in that I assume the worst now.
Should also mention, having been in contact with actual feds in the past..these subhumans are exactly the types who would engage in these activities (and more) then go home and sleep soundly.