Well, I would think step one would be "I hate my dad so much I want to be the opposite of him in any way." That's a self teachable lesson. Instead of following his footsteps seemingly to the T.
"You have the genes of a cocksucker" is a different line of attack
We used to make fun of kids parents who sucked dick, dad or mom, for drugs, because white trash poverty area, as kids and the difference between rolling with it and getting upset about it was night and day in terms of it stopping. Even the big tough guy beating your ass for bringing it up kept it going a lot further than a guy who just rolled off him like water. Agree and amplify, and suddenly no one cares.
That's one of the reasons I feel so opinionated on this, I suppose. Because literally everything he is pissy about is just normal for me and everyone I grew up with. Except we also were one bad day from being homeless and had to assemble toys from scrap metal. So its a whiny privileged kid being big sad, rather than some tragedy.
Well, I would think step one would be "I hate my dad so much I want to be the opposite of him in any way." That's a self teachable lesson. Instead of following his footsteps seemingly to the T.
He's 14. Is he supposed to become an adult before he even finished puberty? With no one to teach him what a proper adult is even supposed to be?
Because literally everything he is pissy about is just normal for me and everyone I grew up with.
So you had people around you that were in the same boat as you were. He doesn't. He's isolated. During the age of the internet where he's constantly reminded about how messed up his parents are and how messed up his childhood is/was.
So you had people around you that were in the same boat as you were.
Nah, just guys who have the same situation who lived nearby. We didn't have a "parents are junkies" club and became all good friends in bonding. Most hated each other and would tear each other down just to feel like their situation was slightly less horrific.
During the age of the internet where he's constantly reminded about how messed up his parents are and how messed up his childhood is/was.
Because small towns where literally everyone knows everyone's business at all times never remind you constantly about how fucked your situation is, unlike the internet where you can just turn the screen off nigga.
Have some empathy
Ah yeah, because "having empathy" helps men's problems so much. We should teach all our teenage boys that the real world will totally care about their big sad boy problems everytime they want to have a cry about how hard they had it.
I have empathy for his situation. Its why I have my strong opinion on it. And that opinion is the sooner he learns that no one cares about him and his pain, other than to use against his father, the sooner he actually becomes the man he wants to be. He is lost in his self loathing, and needs to let that go before he can actually grow into a proper adult, and coddling that with "oh you poor baby, you had it so hard" keeps him from doing so.
Ah yeah, because "having empathy" helps men's problems so much. We should teach all our teenage boys that the real world will totally care about their big sad boy problems everytime they want to have a cry about how hard they had it.
You confuse empathy with compassion. Empathy means putting yourself in another persons shoes and understanding them. You're comparing your own past with his present which is basically doing the 'I walked to school uphill both ways'.
He is lost in his self loathing, and needs to let that go before he can actually grow into a proper adult(...)
Again he's 14. He's a child. He's in the middle of rebelling. Let the kid vent his frustrations. It's a process.
(...)and coddling that with "oh you poor baby, you had it so hard" keeps him from doing so.
Did nothing of the sort. But I guess that helps you dodge the point better, so have at it.
You're comparing your own past with his present
I'm using that magical empathy to take from experience what helped and what hurt the process to get out from under those types of upbringings.
Let the kid vent his frustrations. It's a process.
A kid by your own admittance has no role models to support that process. I suppose parents are just useless to teenage growth that these normal rebellions just work themselves out fine. We certainly don't have endless examples of that process going horribly wrong in these types of kids.
He is already going into his dad's room to shoot him with a fake gun randomly out of anger on stream. And that's just the things we get to see.
This is such a weird take. "Fathers are critical but if you don't have one get the fuck over it and become the overman anyway"
Like the level of "protect everyone but if you need to be protected fuck off and die" is the exact same system the left operates under. Nominal acknowledgement of basement tier ethics and then the utter failure to live up to even that
Are we going to magically transform his father into a better man and send him back in time to fix the situation? When prevention fails you don't just throw up your hands and ignore those who fall throw the cracks.
The damage is already done, so now we move to the recovery. Which is to help him become the man he clearly wants to be. And part of that is escaping his teenage angst of thinking his problems are world ending and special and that everyone must stop to acknowledge them.
And you are offering no actual solution to the contrary, just saying "don't be mean man." Which is far closer to how the Left operates in the face of tragedy than anything I've said.
Well, I would think step one would be "I hate my dad so much I want to be the opposite of him in any way." That's a self teachable lesson. Instead of following his footsteps seemingly to the T.
We used to make fun of kids parents who sucked dick, dad or mom, for drugs, because white trash poverty area, as kids and the difference between rolling with it and getting upset about it was night and day in terms of it stopping. Even the big tough guy beating your ass for bringing it up kept it going a lot further than a guy who just rolled off him like water. Agree and amplify, and suddenly no one cares.
That's one of the reasons I feel so opinionated on this, I suppose. Because literally everything he is pissy about is just normal for me and everyone I grew up with. Except we also were one bad day from being homeless and had to assemble toys from scrap metal. So its a whiny privileged kid being big sad, rather than some tragedy.
He's 14. Is he supposed to become an adult before he even finished puberty? With no one to teach him what a proper adult is even supposed to be?
So you had people around you that were in the same boat as you were. He doesn't. He's isolated. During the age of the internet where he's constantly reminded about how messed up his parents are and how messed up his childhood is/was.
Have some empathy for that poor fucker.
Nah, just guys who have the same situation who lived nearby. We didn't have a "parents are junkies" club and became all good friends in bonding. Most hated each other and would tear each other down just to feel like their situation was slightly less horrific.
Because small towns where literally everyone knows everyone's business at all times never remind you constantly about how fucked your situation is, unlike the internet where you can just turn the screen off nigga.
Ah yeah, because "having empathy" helps men's problems so much. We should teach all our teenage boys that the real world will totally care about their big sad boy problems everytime they want to have a cry about how hard they had it.
I have empathy for his situation. Its why I have my strong opinion on it. And that opinion is the sooner he learns that no one cares about him and his pain, other than to use against his father, the sooner he actually becomes the man he wants to be. He is lost in his self loathing, and needs to let that go before he can actually grow into a proper adult, and coddling that with "oh you poor baby, you had it so hard" keeps him from doing so.
You confuse empathy with compassion. Empathy means putting yourself in another persons shoes and understanding them. You're comparing your own past with his present which is basically doing the 'I walked to school uphill both ways'.
Again he's 14. He's a child. He's in the middle of rebelling. Let the kid vent his frustrations. It's a process.
Has anybody done that here?
Did nothing of the sort. But I guess that helps you dodge the point better, so have at it.
I'm using that magical empathy to take from experience what helped and what hurt the process to get out from under those types of upbringings.
A kid by your own admittance has no role models to support that process. I suppose parents are just useless to teenage growth that these normal rebellions just work themselves out fine. We certainly don't have endless examples of that process going horribly wrong in these types of kids.
He is already going into his dad's room to shoot him with a fake gun randomly out of anger on stream. And that's just the things we get to see.
This is such a weird take. "Fathers are critical but if you don't have one get the fuck over it and become the overman anyway"
Like the level of "protect everyone but if you need to be protected fuck off and die" is the exact same system the left operates under. Nominal acknowledgement of basement tier ethics and then the utter failure to live up to even that
Are we going to magically transform his father into a better man and send him back in time to fix the situation? When prevention fails you don't just throw up your hands and ignore those who fall throw the cracks.
The damage is already done, so now we move to the recovery. Which is to help him become the man he clearly wants to be. And part of that is escaping his teenage angst of thinking his problems are world ending and special and that everyone must stop to acknowledge them.
Yeah that's not what you're doing lol. You're running the "no sympathy for weaklings" program, which is fine. But don't pretend it's anything else.
And you are offering no actual solution to the contrary, just saying "don't be mean man." Which is far closer to how the Left operates in the face of tragedy than anything I've said.