Upvoted because you made a strong argument, but where did you read "very principled non-tipper"?
Given the fact that with tips, bad customers are subsidized by good customers, doesn't that make tips a bad thing? Not to mention that they (probably not true, but I've heard it from Muricans) might spit in your food next time if you don't tip to their satisfaction?
I'm very anti-social. I'm not tipping 50% or 100%. Even 20% is really pushing it. And I'm not tipping for something that involves no extra work, except where it is custom. It seems very strange to me to go to a restaurant, only to find out that you have to pay double the amount stated on the online menu.
I wouldn't go to any place that expects that. I already see tipping as a sign of labor exploitation. Informal income is income that can't serve to grow your financial credibility. It's worse than a proper wage.
You can manually claim all of your tips on your taxes if you choose to do so. I’ve known people who have done it precisely because they wanted to secure better terms for buying a house.
Again, it is glaringly obvious that none of you have actually worked in food service lol
That’s why I put it in quotes. It’s like the “very principled video game pirate” when, in reality, almost everyone who pirates games just doesn’t want to pay for games. Almost every anti-tipper I’ve ever known here in the states was nothing more than a cheapskate who wanted to save money. Most of them were black and/or white trash.
Given the fact that with tips, bad customers are subsidized by good customers, doesn't that make tips a bad thing?
That part is bad. But as I’ve outlined in another comment, tipping relocates a not-insignificant portion of the transaction from “customer and store” to “customer and server”. That negotiated compensation results in a higher-than-minimum wage, one that cannot be completely eroded by the company targeting cheap immigrant labor. In a lot of areas, tipping also occurs effectively under the table via cash, locking the government out entirely. Admittedly, this last benefit is definitely vanishing. Trump tried to salvage it with no taxes on tips.
Not to mention that they (probably not true, but I've heard it from Muricans) might spit in your food next time if you don't tip to their satisfaction?
This phenomenon, much like dine and dashing, is exceedingly rare. Messing with food is a felony offense that is taken extremely seriously in America. Most food service people are simply too apathetic to do it. The ones who do? Once again, mostly blacks. And they are just as liable to do it regardless.
I'm not tipping 50% or 100%.
You’ve fallen for rage-bait social media posts. The vast majority of American restaurant service workers are making about 15% tips. 20% if they’re good (or an attractive female). Tipping is, as you say, also mechanism for rewarding good service. Bad servers are definitely punished with lower earnings.
It’s like the “very principled video game pirate” when, in reality, almost everyone who pirates games just doesn’t want to pay for games.
That's a very broad brush. I pirate almost everything, because most things are not worth paying for. Certainly not the price that they demand.
That negotiated compensation results in a higher-than-minimum wage, one that cannot be completely eroded by the company targeting cheap immigrant labor. In a lot of areas, tipping also occurs effectively under the table via cash, locking the government out entirely. Admittedly, this last benefit is definitely vanishing. Trump tried to salvage it with no taxes on tips.
So the reason is so that servers can't be replaced by immigrants? That's at least some sort of reason. I admit that there is value to having an extra voluntary contribution for service and things that you like, because that avoids a race to the bottom. It's just that I don't really encounter this in restaurants... yet.
You’ve fallen for rage-bait social media posts. The vast majority of American restaurant service workers are making about 15% tips. 20% if they’re good (or an attractive female). Tipping is, as you say, also mechanism for rewarding good service. Bad servers are definitely punished with lower earnings.
Not at all, I didn't say that it's common. Just that it's ridiculous in the cases when it is. I do remember that it used to be 10%. But I was recently in a tipping country, and I saw for a simple drink a "tipping choice" of 15%, 30%, and "other" IIRC. Quite ridiculous. I'm not tipping you to hand me a drink.
Upvoted because you made a strong argument, but where did you read "very principled non-tipper"?
Given the fact that with tips, bad customers are subsidized by good customers, doesn't that make tips a bad thing? Not to mention that they (probably not true, but I've heard it from Muricans) might spit in your food next time if you don't tip to their satisfaction?
I'm very anti-social. I'm not tipping 50% or 100%. Even 20% is really pushing it. And I'm not tipping for something that involves no extra work, except where it is custom. It seems very strange to me to go to a restaurant, only to find out that you have to pay double the amount stated on the online menu.
I wouldn't go to any place that expects that. I already see tipping as a sign of labor exploitation. Informal income is income that can't serve to grow your financial credibility. It's worse than a proper wage.
You can manually claim all of your tips on your taxes if you choose to do so. I’ve known people who have done it precisely because they wanted to secure better terms for buying a house.
Again, it is glaringly obvious that none of you have actually worked in food service lol
That’s why I put it in quotes. It’s like the “very principled video game pirate” when, in reality, almost everyone who pirates games just doesn’t want to pay for games. Almost every anti-tipper I’ve ever known here in the states was nothing more than a cheapskate who wanted to save money. Most of them were black and/or white trash.
That part is bad. But as I’ve outlined in another comment, tipping relocates a not-insignificant portion of the transaction from “customer and store” to “customer and server”. That negotiated compensation results in a higher-than-minimum wage, one that cannot be completely eroded by the company targeting cheap immigrant labor. In a lot of areas, tipping also occurs effectively under the table via cash, locking the government out entirely. Admittedly, this last benefit is definitely vanishing. Trump tried to salvage it with no taxes on tips.
This phenomenon, much like dine and dashing, is exceedingly rare. Messing with food is a felony offense that is taken extremely seriously in America. Most food service people are simply too apathetic to do it. The ones who do? Once again, mostly blacks. And they are just as liable to do it regardless.
You’ve fallen for rage-bait social media posts. The vast majority of American restaurant service workers are making about 15% tips. 20% if they’re good (or an attractive female). Tipping is, as you say, also mechanism for rewarding good service. Bad servers are definitely punished with lower earnings.
That's a very broad brush. I pirate almost everything, because most things are not worth paying for. Certainly not the price that they demand.
So the reason is so that servers can't be replaced by immigrants? That's at least some sort of reason. I admit that there is value to having an extra voluntary contribution for service and things that you like, because that avoids a race to the bottom. It's just that I don't really encounter this in restaurants... yet.
Not at all, I didn't say that it's common. Just that it's ridiculous in the cases when it is. I do remember that it used to be 10%. But I was recently in a tipping country, and I saw for a simple drink a "tipping choice" of 15%, 30%, and "other" IIRC. Quite ridiculous. I'm not tipping you to hand me a drink.