While I in no way condone the way any of this was handled, I'm not sure what anyone expected. There's nothing a "list" can do legally to get anyone in trouble, and would almost certainly get Trump in deep shit legally and financially.
There are only two ways to really convict someone of anything: they admit to it, or someone saw them do it. Witness or confession. That's it.
Epstein can't finger anyone anymore (whether dead or disappeared), and no mega billionaire kidfucker is going to admit to anything, so an alleged list of alleged names of alleged sex perverts is legally worthless. There's just no scenario where producing a list of names on documents leads to a court conviction, there's too many ways to spin it. But releasing it would prompt a hundred defamation lawsuits from billionaires all of which the Trump admin would lose. Alan Dershowitz already sued the bajeezus out of the most prominent Epstein accuser for naming him until he destroyed her credibility, ruined her life, and drove her to suicide.
If no one saw them do it and no one admits to anything, nothing can be done. Trump's people were stupid for making this a centerpiece of their plan and then having to embarrass themselves like this by walking it back. If they admit the truth they look weak, if they drop it they look weaker. It's all downsides. Talk about an own-goal.
There's nothing a "list" can do legally to get anyone in trouble, and would almost certainly get Trump in deep shit legally and financially.
In the early 90s, Hulk Hogan and the WWF were sued for illegal steroid use, and all it took was a doctor's office getting raided and they found a list with various athletes' names on it.
And there's also the wife of Epstein. She's an eye witness who can name names of not only the kidfuckers, but other people tangentially involved who can corroborate her testimony.
While I in no way condone the way any of this was handled, I'm not sure what anyone expected. There's nothing a "list" can do legally to get anyone in trouble, and would almost certainly get Trump in deep shit legally and financially.
People use "the list" as shorthand for all the evidence the state has on file about Epstein. They undoubtedly have plenty of stuff that can get people, and Israel, in trouble, because they won't release it.
Trump would never get in trouble legally for this either. The Presidency has the highest level of qualified immunity possible, as demonstrated by the Supreme Court last year.
There are only two ways to really convict someone of anything: they admit to it, or someone saw them do it. Witness or confession. That's it.
Or there's videos and forensic document trails. You can also lean on the guiltiest to flip on the rest.
You are probably right that a bunch of people would not be prosecutable, but some would be.
I'm sure they tried to get her to narc in exchange for stuff but she didn't. Her case is likely to get overturned on the basis of witnesses who testified were kept anonymous, a clear constitutional violation.
There were CCTV and decades of footage and on that cursed island. They won’t just throw that away. The list will at least let people see the nail while the government was supposed to hammer down with the footage as proof.
You assume they knew about the cameras. I bet Epstein told them there weren't any and only revealed the truth when Israel needed favors from a person who had used his island.
That and these people are literally not human anymore. They seek not only financial power over the masses, they want to feel physically power over someone intimately.
On top of that, so what if they can get in trouble later? If everyone is doing it, then it’s self-assured destruction.
Playing jewish advocate here.
While I in no way condone the way any of this was handled, I'm not sure what anyone expected. There's nothing a "list" can do legally to get anyone in trouble, and would almost certainly get Trump in deep shit legally and financially.
There are only two ways to really convict someone of anything: they admit to it, or someone saw them do it. Witness or confession. That's it.
Epstein can't finger anyone anymore (whether dead or disappeared), and no mega billionaire kidfucker is going to admit to anything, so an alleged list of alleged names of alleged sex perverts is legally worthless. There's just no scenario where producing a list of names on documents leads to a court conviction, there's too many ways to spin it. But releasing it would prompt a hundred defamation lawsuits from billionaires all of which the Trump admin would lose. Alan Dershowitz already sued the bajeezus out of the most prominent Epstein accuser for naming him until he destroyed her credibility, ruined her life, and drove her to suicide.
If no one saw them do it and no one admits to anything, nothing can be done. Trump's people were stupid for making this a centerpiece of their plan and then having to embarrass themselves like this by walking it back. If they admit the truth they look weak, if they drop it they look weaker. It's all downsides. Talk about an own-goal.
In the early 90s, Hulk Hogan and the WWF were sued for illegal steroid use, and all it took was a doctor's office getting raided and they found a list with various athletes' names on it.
And there's also the wife of Epstein. She's an eye witness who can name names of not only the kidfuckers, but other people tangentially involved who can corroborate her testimony.
LOL Hulk Hogan. Have you ever seen anything stick to anyone on the left, ever?
Bill Clinton’s cum.
Also, the WWE case proves my point.
The list was used to persuade the doctor to testify as a witness, not to convict on its own.
The doctor confessed under questioning, incriminating himself.
Vince McMahon was found not guilty, so the evidence wasn't even enough to convict.
If she didn't narc on anyone to avoid jail already, why would she now?
People use "the list" as shorthand for all the evidence the state has on file about Epstein. They undoubtedly have plenty of stuff that can get people, and Israel, in trouble, because they won't release it.
Trump would never get in trouble legally for this either. The Presidency has the highest level of qualified immunity possible, as demonstrated by the Supreme Court last year.
Or there's videos and forensic document trails. You can also lean on the guiltiest to flip on the rest.
You are probably right that a bunch of people would not be prosecutable, but some would be.
If only we had one of Epstein's accomplices in prison so we could interrogate her about who did what.
I'm sure they tried to get her to narc in exchange for stuff but she didn't. Her case is likely to get overturned on the basis of witnesses who testified were kept anonymous, a clear constitutional violation.
There were CCTV and decades of footage and on that cursed island. They won’t just throw that away. The list will at least let people see the nail while the government was supposed to hammer down with the footage as proof.
I've long wondered: what billionaire/politician would have sex in front of a CCTV, let alone with a kid.
You assume they knew about the cameras. I bet Epstein told them there weren't any and only revealed the truth when Israel needed favors from a person who had used his island.
If it's the only way forward in your career what other choice is there?
That and these people are literally not human anymore. They seek not only financial power over the masses, they want to feel physically power over someone intimately.
On top of that, so what if they can get in trouble later? If everyone is doing it, then it’s self-assured destruction.
"Trump admin would lose"
This isn't Britain, burden of proof for defamation is on them.