But this is incredibly damning (literally), if even remotely indicative of reality.
Also, OP's title actually undersells the evil. It's not that they think they have "the right" to kill everyone in a conquered city...they want to do it.
And when asked directly whether they agreed with the position that the IDF, "when conquering an enemy city, should act in a manner similar to the way the Israelites acted when they conquered Jericho under the leadership of Joshua, namely, to kill all its inhabitants?" nearly half, 47 percent, agreed.
The lowest agreement was secular Jews...and that was still 31%!
Everyone else (traditional, orthodox, and haredi), were all around 60%.
holy crap. when I read the title, i thought it was an exaggeration of something along the lines of, " yes, some collateral damage is unavoidable in urban fighting, we can't really blame soldiers for mistakes while on edge" , which sounds reasonable enough. but this is a whole other level. "can we genocide a city we captured? yup, sure thing!"
The mention of Joshua and the ancient Israelites seems gratuitous and intended to increase the 'yes' vote here - while it obviously doesn't excuse the answer.
Also interesting is this:
A majority of 56 percent of Jews supported the "transfer (forced expulsion) of Arab citizens of Israel to other countries."
They're always talking about how Arabs are full citizens of Israel with equal rights, which is mostly true, but then there's this.
They're always talking about how Arabs are full citizens of Israel with equal rights, which is mostly true, but then there's this.
Also, you know Christians are only slightly behind the Muslims.
Our Greatest Ally, ladies and gentlemen. Murder and oppress everyone who's not a Jew. But let's wait and have Ted Cruz tell us why that's a good thing, before we jump to any conclusions.
Also, you know Christians are only slightly behind the Muslims.
In terms of population, or in terms of how much they're disliked? The latter is absolutely true. Many of the resistance fighters/terrorists have historically been Christians (albeit communists), before the rise of Islamism.
But let's wait and have Ted Cruz tell us why that's a good thing, before we jump to any conclusions.
Anti-semite. Blood libel. Don't you get between me and my $1.8 million.
They've always been this way, not just in the wake of Oct 7.
Something changed. All restraint is loosed, and it has become the Israel the Israel-haters claimed it was before.
They have always been psychopathic terrorists.
Always? They live in a dangerous neighborhood, and if you did, you'd do whatever it takes to survive. The difference now is that they're not aiming for survival and safety, but utter domination.
Did you know that in the early 1980s mossad rigged up the Beirut sports stadium with explosives to blame on the PLO
I can't find the original source for your quote. Is it Unz? Interesting how Google seems to rank it rather lower.
I would argue that it's always been about utter domination.
If you look at the relations with Egypt, or even Jordan, it's different. Israel gave back the Sinai to Egypt, and I read (haven't verified, may be a complete lie) that it offered the Gaza as well but Egypt refused.
Compare that to Syria and Lebanon.
Dangerous neighbourhood? They chose to move there
Some did, some were expelled from Arab countries. But their choice doesn't negate the fact that it is.
They chose to reject the UN partition plan
You are mistaken. The Arabs rejected the UN partition plan, which just led to more loss of land and mass expulsions. You might argue the they were justified, but they did all the same.
No my friend, they want you to think something changed, but it's always been like this.
Actually, they don't. They want you to believe that they're still the underdog. They were comparing the size of Israel to Iran just a few days ago, and claiming to be David vs. Goliath.
they think that it's "kill or be killed", and they're not willing to be killed.
They might think that, but the death toll numbers are nowhere near comparable.
Also, October 7th, 2023 was seen by many as a response to the murder of 248 Palestinians in Gaza in May of 2021 (12 Israelis died as well). The reason that conflict occurred was Israel's forceful expulsion of Palestinians from East Jerusalem who had lived in their homes for decades, Palestinians protested the expulsion and were murdered.
Here's a quick recap of the body counts from the acts of terrorism & genocide committed by both sides.
They might think that, but the death toll numbers are nowhere near comparable.
Didn't say that the death toll was comparable. It's pretty stupid to pick a fight with a power that has overwhelming military superiority and can act with such impunity.
Of course, no one in Israel after October 7 was considering what they had done to the Palestinians to make Hamas attack them like that - though I'm pretty sure it has nothing to do with the East Jerusalem brouhaha. Just like few to no Americans after 9/11 sincerely questioned what America may have done to spark that attack.
Palestine has gotta pump those numbers up, those are rookie numbers in this racket.
They're not going to. You have a population that's starving, living in tents because nearly all buildings are destroyed or damaged, brutalized and traumatized. And if what the Israeli defense minister has announced, it might get exponentially worse for them.
Of course it will. They're being genocided by the untouchable 13th tribe. Palestine soon won't exist. I won't be bent out of shape about them being gone, but israel getting away with genocide would be a blight upon the world, because they won't stop until its escalated to WW3. Iran, Lebanon, Syria, Yemen. They bomb with impunity.
though I'm pretty sure it has nothing to do with the East Jerusalem brouhaha.
That's not what hamas believed. There was a ceasefire in May 2021 that lasted until 2023. Once it was broken, hamas did what terrorists do.
Also, I found it interesting what the "music festival" that hamas targeted billed itself as:
The 2023 Nova Trance Festival, billed as an event celebrating "friends, love and infinite freedom," was associated with the Brazilian psytrance festival Universo Paralello and described as a "playground for adults" with tented stages and a chill-out area, and it was known for promoting values such as "free love and free spirit, preservation of the environment, appreciation of natural values".
Sounds kind of like a degenerate drug-fueled EDM festival to me.
That's not what hamas believed. There was a ceasefire in May 2021 that lasted until 2023. Once it was broken, hamas did what terrorists do.
But they broke it. And where did Hamas even claim that they attacked because of the East Jerusalem matters?
Sounds kind of like a degenerate drug-fueled EDM festival to me.
Maybe, music festivals generally are. But what's the point?
I'm always bemused at the outrage that "THEY KILLED YOUNG PEOPLE AT A MUSIC FESTIVAL"... as opposed to killing people in a kibbutz who spent their free time driving Gazans to hospitals in Israel so they could get better medical care.
As always, take "polls" with a grain of salt.
But this is incredibly damning (literally), if even remotely indicative of reality.
Also, OP's title actually undersells the evil. It's not that they think they have "the right" to kill everyone in a conquered city...they want to do it.
The lowest agreement was secular Jews...and that was still 31%!
Everyone else (traditional, orthodox, and haredi), were all around 60%.
holy crap. when I read the title, i thought it was an exaggeration of something along the lines of, " yes, some collateral damage is unavoidable in urban fighting, we can't really blame soldiers for mistakes while on edge" , which sounds reasonable enough. but this is a whole other level. "can we genocide a city we captured? yup, sure thing!"
Again, not can...should. "Should we genocide entire cities"?"
The mention of Joshua and the ancient Israelites seems gratuitous and intended to increase the 'yes' vote here - while it obviously doesn't excuse the answer.
Also interesting is this:
They're always talking about how Arabs are full citizens of Israel with equal rights, which is mostly true, but then there's this.
Also, you know Christians are only slightly behind the Muslims.
Our Greatest Ally, ladies and gentlemen. Murder and oppress everyone who's not a Jew. But let's wait and have Ted Cruz tell us why that's a good thing, before we jump to any conclusions.
In terms of population, or in terms of how much they're disliked? The latter is absolutely true. Many of the resistance fighters/terrorists have historically been Christians (albeit communists), before the rise of Islamism.
Anti-semite. Blood libel. Don't you get between me and my $1.8 million.
On the one hand, horrific. On the other hand, I'm not going to stop even a foreign power from reserving the right to glass New York, LA, and DC.
They've gone mad in the aftermath of Oct 7. Put charitably, they think that it's "kill or be killed", and they're not willing to be killed.
Something changed. All restraint is loosed, and it has become the Israel the Israel-haters claimed it was before.
Always? They live in a dangerous neighborhood, and if you did, you'd do whatever it takes to survive. The difference now is that they're not aiming for survival and safety, but utter domination.
I can't find the original source for your quote. Is it Unz? Interesting how Google seems to rank it rather lower.
If you look at the relations with Egypt, or even Jordan, it's different. Israel gave back the Sinai to Egypt, and I read (haven't verified, may be a complete lie) that it offered the Gaza as well but Egypt refused.
Compare that to Syria and Lebanon.
Some did, some were expelled from Arab countries. But their choice doesn't negate the fact that it is.
You are mistaken. The Arabs rejected the UN partition plan, which just led to more loss of land and mass expulsions. You might argue the they were justified, but they did all the same.
Actually, they don't. They want you to believe that they're still the underdog. They were comparing the size of Israel to Iran just a few days ago, and claiming to be David vs. Goliath.
I'll take a look at the book that it cites.
They might think that, but the death toll numbers are nowhere near comparable.
Also, October 7th, 2023 was seen by many as a response to the murder of 248 Palestinians in Gaza in May of 2021 (12 Israelis died as well). The reason that conflict occurred was Israel's forceful expulsion of Palestinians from East Jerusalem who had lived in their homes for decades, Palestinians protested the expulsion and were murdered.
Here's a quick recap of the body counts from the acts of terrorism & genocide committed by both sides.
Like I said, nowhere near comparable.
Palestine has gotta pump those numbers up, those are rookie numbers in this racket.
Didn't say that the death toll was comparable. It's pretty stupid to pick a fight with a power that has overwhelming military superiority and can act with such impunity.
Of course, no one in Israel after October 7 was considering what they had done to the Palestinians to make Hamas attack them like that - though I'm pretty sure it has nothing to do with the East Jerusalem brouhaha. Just like few to no Americans after 9/11 sincerely questioned what America may have done to spark that attack.
They're not going to. You have a population that's starving, living in tents because nearly all buildings are destroyed or damaged, brutalized and traumatized. And if what the Israeli defense minister has announced, it might get exponentially worse for them.
Of course it will. They're being genocided by the untouchable 13th tribe. Palestine soon won't exist. I won't be bent out of shape about them being gone, but israel getting away with genocide would be a blight upon the world, because they won't stop until its escalated to WW3. Iran, Lebanon, Syria, Yemen. They bomb with impunity.
That's not what hamas believed. There was a ceasefire in May 2021 that lasted until 2023. Once it was broken, hamas did what terrorists do.
Also, I found it interesting what the "music festival" that hamas targeted billed itself as:
Sounds kind of like a degenerate drug-fueled EDM festival to me.
But they broke it. And where did Hamas even claim that they attacked because of the East Jerusalem matters?
Maybe, music festivals generally are. But what's the point?
I'm always bemused at the outrage that "THEY KILLED YOUNG PEOPLE AT A MUSIC FESTIVAL"... as opposed to killing people in a kibbutz who spent their free time driving Gazans to hospitals in Israel so they could get better medical care.
in the old days yeah but war is stage managed faggotry now.
Eh, the muslims have the same rules of engagement. Let them fight.