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Then, by all means, please show the class the natural law, constant, or substance from which we can derive or observe objective morality.
Or, you know, don't, and just call me evil and pat yourself on the back because, goddamn, did you tell me, and isn't it obvious, you definitely know it when you see it, and what sort of terrible person would ever approve of things that give you the bad ick feeling, they must be evil. Besides, god told me this was good when he passed his commands down to a group of illiterate goat fuckers a few thousand years ago, and made them promise really hard not to forget or change any of his rules, which conveniently involved a lot of things that were moderately useful for groups of illiterate goat fuckers and didn't really include silly things like arithmetic, germ theory, or electricity, because that would be silly.
t. the objective morally evil
Wow, you sure told me.
Anyway, off to Bible story time.
spergs out about religion
responds with bitchy sarcasm
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“From my point of view, the Jedi are evil!”
You know you're right when the only thing you have to add is a quote from a children's movie.
And people accuse leftists of being the only people to derive morality from fiction.
I'll add that you're a huge faggot, which is an original comment.
Here goes a good faith reply.
With morality you really only have three broad choices.
The first: There is no morality. All systems of ethics in an uncaring universe are absurd. Depending on your take on that you get either Nihilism or Absurdism.
The second: Morality is relative to the situation and only occurs within a context. This is moral relativism.
The third: Morality is absolute, but complex, because the world is complex.
Let's look at the practically of these approaches.
The first fails because you can't build a society without a system of morality. Even if the universe is infinite and uncaring, we must still live.with other men. There must be some system that judges and governs interactions between men, or groups can not function. Even if it is: "Do as I say or I will be at you with a club." That is still a (basic, broken) morality.
The second: Moral Relativism can be used to justify absolutely any behavior, no matter how base or depraved. The simplest level of moral sophistication is to act morally out of fear of the consequences. See the aforementioned guy with a club.
At this level of moral sophistication (which exists all over the world) it is moral to do anything at all, as long as you don't get caught. Raping babies..Eating babies. Worse. It all happens, and to the moral relativist in the right context it isn't wrong.
So that leaves is worth the third: Absolute Morality. A morality that exists independently of context and situation. An absolute morality can be as complex as required, as long as (once defined) it doesn't change because circumstances change.
In your own obtuse way you are claiming that there can be no absolute morality without a supreme being to define one.
This is called the Euthyphro Dilemma. It was the subject of one of Plato's Dialogues.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthyphro_dilemma
The short answer is that you can have an absolute morality without God, but it undermines God's position in the universe because the morality is separate to God.
With these assumptions, if God tells you to eat a baby, then it is still wrong.
Morality is complicated, because morality exists on several levels at once. By this I mean that the morality of the indoor, the morality of the family and the morality of the community all exist at the same time. They can even conflict, and these conflicts must be resolved separately so a solution is acceptable to all levels.
It just so happens that particular flavors of Christianity have been the most successful (historically) at building strong individuals and successful,. prosperous communities. I don't deny that other.compex moral system might work just as well; they just haven't.
So there you go. A good faith response and a place to start your journey into philosophical inquiry.
FYI, I have no interest in arguing with you. If you feel the urge, go argue with a chatbot.
Well, let me keep this short then.
First, I want to thank you for making an actual good faith reply. Even if the actual thrust of your statement is "fuck you, I'm right, and I don't want to discuss it any further" because, quite frankly, that is the general quality of the people left around here, I do believe any throwback to the behaviors and manners of the good internet of old should be recognized and applauded. So, thank you for taking the time.
That being said, and recognizing that you're quite satisfied at having dropped your truth bomb and fucked off, I just want to end the conversation by saying that you've merely served to prove my point. The only acceptable view here is complete philosophical capitulation to your belief in an absolute truth you can neither derive nor discover, only divine from whole cloth. And it's never some humanistic cloth, either; it's always from some fictional or historical manuscript, and you are vehemently opposed to people and belief systems that divine their absolute truth from a different fictional or historical document, as they are to you.
And it seems like you will never stop. It almost makes one have to conclude there must actually be something that created humanity to be a servant race somewhere, because the overwhelming majority of the species is so absolutely ready to fall to their knees and worship SOMETHING, regardless of if it's a religion, a children's book series, or a government.
You guys have some sort of "dominate me daddy" mold deep in your cognition, waiting for something to come fill it.
And that's sad.
Guy, you came here explicitly to shit on theists, specifically Christians.
My position doesn't rely on divine revelation, nor a supreme being. You don't give a toss. Anything handed to us from our ancestors is wrong.
You haven't even engaged with any of the points I raised. You have just patted yourself on the back for confirming your biases and you are done.
Here is one for you. When KiA first started it was almost entirely Atheist. Since that time, many, including myself have seen the value in the traditions.of our grandfather's, including Christianity.
Perhaps there is no God. It doesn't matter to me. There isn't a nation built that is better, wealthier or more free than those built on the foundation of Christianity, specifically Protestant Christianity.
Perhaps Bhuddist nations? But of those only Japan is really first world, and they are at least as.much Shinto as Bhuddist.
So go too, guy. Take your real, free thinking truth and your moral Relativism and fuck off to the perfect Atheist Utopia with all your intolerant Atheist buddies. Oh wait, there is no such place. Sweden might have been close, but after they gave up Christian practice they instantly fucked their country forever.
Fuck, you haven't even read your Nietzsche.
Wall of text level: average leftist meme
Its one an a quarter paragraphs, you absolute ham sandwich. If that's a "wall of text" to you, you're as bright as the leftists you mock.
And I refuse to entertain criticsm from anyone whose username contains any form of "send feet pics" besides. You people are as creepy as the furries, yet somehow more brazen.