Iran was an IQ test. You favorite pundits flunked.
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Both the out and out Zionists, and the grifters who flipped back and forth and then went back to Trump and waved the "Mission Accomplished" banner. A lot of people on all sides showed themselves to be pretty silly.
Ironically, the people Razor is attacking looked pretty good in all this, at least from the stance I look at things from.
Yeah, I'm going to side with the "let's not fucking bomb Iran for no reason and, yeah, this might escalate into a broader conflict and lead to American blood."
They seem to have their heads on straight.
Rare Razor L.
I'm an out and out zionist, in that I think Israel has the right to exist.
It doesn't have the right to bomb another country for literally 0 reason.
What does that even mean?
Israel, like all countries, has a right to attempt to exist. No one has a Right to Exist, per se.
And certainly not if you can't even do it on your own. Israel has a right to attempt to exist. We should let them do that. Without our help. They'd probably be less shitty neighbors, if they didn't have the US backing them up, too, and everything would be more peaceful.
And Zionism goes beyond that, as you know, or you'd also be whatever the equivalent would be for thinking Iran has a right to exist.
There was an active political movement post-WW1(Not, two, one) that called for Jews to actively emigrate and settle in Israel.
And it was called, well, Zionism.
They were enough of a political force in Israel pre-WW2 that they actively tried to boycott Germany and had political protests against Nazi Germany, again, all pre-WW2.
Israel wasn't just given over the Jews post-WW2 because people were being nice, after all. They'd pretty much taken the place over before then.
Good of you to question mindless slogans that are repeated endlessly, even without realizing it as I just did.
For me, it means that I support Israel's existence. It's not threatened as of right now, but if it were, I have no problem with sending them aid to ensure their survival. Why? Because it would be chump change for Europe, while being crucial for Israel surviving.
They probably wouldn't be trying to dominate the region and be a hegemon, and they'd make more compromises.
The flaw in that argument is that Iran has existed for 2.5 millennia. Israel was a state that was just created due to an ideological movement. They worked hard on changing my mind in the past 2 weeks, but I still think that was a good thing. Ergo, Zionist.
But what alternative definition of Zionism do you think of?
I would. They can stand on their own or they can die. With the exception that they had proven themselves to be a great ally worthy of helping for our benefit.
But they have never been a great ally. They don't produce anything worthwhile. They goad us into wars constantly. They are the source of nearly all of the ill will that we have received as a nation.
Lots of things would be chump change but that doesn't mean that we can afford to spend chump change on everything that would cost chump change, because then things cease to be chump change.
If Israel's survival is predicated on external support, then Israel isn't going to survive. Because they appear to be completely unable to play nice or make peace with anyone around them.
Thanks.
And in that vein:
Should we be sending aid money to Ukraine? Palestine? What about all the countries Israel is bombing? Does Lebanon have a right to exist?
DoesDid Syria?Foreign aid is never chump change, because "foreign" is a really fucking big place.
Oooh, boy. The funny part of that argument is...it's a huge Zionist talking point. Zionists say Israel has existed for over two thousand years. The hardcore ones will tell you Israel is the oldest country on the planet. So I guess they're pretty established, by this point.
We'll get to that at the end.
Honest question, why? They're a small country, but per capita they're right up there with all the big boys when it comes to competing for the 'most atrocious actions' award. There very short history started with terrorism, continued with terrorism, and could end with terrorism. They've not only been extremely violent (which can be justified in some scenarios), but also extremely aggressive. They're either starting shit, or massively overreacting. They might very well be the most expansionist country currently on the planet, and they're probably the most "colonialist" in post-war history.
They just seem like kind of a shit country, honestly.
I mean, you said it was based on ideology. That ideology happens to be largely based on ethnic and religious supremacy and ethnonationalism. Which would be one thing - although probably still not something you'd support - if they had a legitimate claim to the land...but you don't get to just settle down somewhere and claim it's yours and was always yours, just because people you share a name with and whose coattails you can ride to Divine Right were there way back in the day.
The whole 'this land was always ours' thing is utter and complete propaganda; they came up with it when they were deciding where and how to put their new country, and realized it would be a convenient argument.
Zionism has made a region that already have a ton of problems even worse and also, as we were talking about, has done a huge amount of damage to other cultures too, like Christianity. "God commands us to bless Israel."
Zionism is a psychotic supremacist cult, and a deeply subversive and expansionist one too.