Saddam DID have WMDs, he shipped them to Syria when the second invasion was imminent
LOL.
Everything the Media said was a lie, yet you defend them? Curious.
Yeah, the media supported your WMD hoax when it mattered, and you do believe them, and defend their lie 22 years later. Apparently only if they're aligned with the Deep State.
It belonged to the people of Iran through the previous government which had been overthrown by violent revolution.
First of all, it belonged to the Iranian 'state', not some vague idea of 'people' - which of course coincides with the Deep State deciding what happens in a country. Secondly, you're talking about a minuscule fraction of the Iranian assets that were stolen by the West.
Also, guess what another violent coup was... Ukraine's Maidan coup. But this is an argument of opportunity that you will only cite when it aligns with Deep State interests.
The holdings of the Tsar's family are still withheld from USSR/Russia you know?
Their personal holdings != possessions of the Russian state.
Not funding proxy terrorism? Please don't insult me, dude.
I try not to, because at least you don't voice the same opinions as the Hivemind here - you probably get insulted enough for being somewhat independent on your thought. But it's hard because you're propounding the WMD hoax in 2025, which even the most rabid neocon is too embarrassed to do.
Iran funds terrorism in Yemen, Lebanon & Gaza as well as probably a dozen other places too.
So... they do what the US did in Syria and many other places? Time to seize US assets to prevent it from funding terrorism.
Are you saying civilians are sitting ducks?
No, I'm saying that what you demand is that every country be a sitting duck for every Western bombing campaign, because you'll nitpick every attempt to hit back with anything but the most hypermodern 'accurate' weapons in retaliation.
LOL all you like. The UN said so, US Intelligence saw the convoy of trucks going to and fro, and Israel blew them to hell inside Syria. All facts.
It wasn't a hoax though. The Media supported the war while it was convenient, but turned hard left eventually. They couldn't stomach being seen as helping a Republican, no matter what.
a minuscule fraction of the Iranian assets that were stolen by the West
Whatever, comrade.
Their personal holdings != possessions of the Russian state.
They WERE the government of Russia, this is basic stuff here, please try to keep up. They WERE the "Russian State" a fine point you seem to selectively understand when it suits you :/
you probably get insulted enough for being somewhat independent on your thought.
Well thanks! I keep quiet more than I want to, but this place is WAY better than Reddit, which I got life-banned from shortly after becoming a Mod on some "right wing" humour subs... sheer coincidence! They refused to say why, of course, just a vague reference to a joke I'd made :/ They wouldn't even quote it, even though I KNOW they could have. Even a lowly sub-Mod can do it, as I had learned.
Time to seize US assets to prevent it from funding terrorism.
Go ahead, you first! You think Iran didn't seize US assets within it's borders? They assuredly did.
Funding revolutionaries or insurgents within a nation is a WORLD of difference than funding international terrorist organizations. Every "major power" does it, but none to the degree Iran currently does.
War is hell. I support a nation that tries to NOT kill civilians over one that EXCLUSIVELY kills civilians. Accidentally killing civilians vs accidentally killing soldiers? It's a no-brainer. It is impossible to have a war with no civilian deaths, so blaming Israel while making excuses for Hamas & company is deplorable. :/
US Intelligence saw the convoy of trucks going to and fro
US intelligence is a contradiction in terms.
The Media supported the war while it was convenient, but turned hard left eventually.
Got it, not supporting senseless wars is 'far-left'.
Whatever, comrade.
I thought you were a 2000s "right-winger" time-warped into the present. Turns out you're using Cold War-era insults. I guess not supporting theft is "communism" now?
They WERE the government of Russia, this is basic stuff here, please try to keep up. They WERE the "Russian State" a fine point you seem to selectively understand when it suits you :/
This is beyond absurd. People aren't "the Russian state". The tsar's family can have personal accounts as well as accounts in name of the Russian state.
this place is WAY better than Reddit, which I got life-banned from shortly after becoming a Mod on some "right wing" humour subs... sheer coincidence!
I've heard that from more people. Did you get any message about that?
Go ahead, you first! You think Iran didn't seize US assets within it's borders? They assuredly did.
Hold on. You keep moving the goalposts. You were complaining that Biden and Obama "gave" the Iranians money. That was, of course, their own money from oil sales. Why don't you address that fact instead?
Funding revolutionaries or insurgents within a nation is a WORLD of difference than funding international terrorist organizations
And the difference is that you label anyone you don't like an "international terrorist organization", while calling the ISIS/Al Qaeda terrorists the Deep State funded "revolutionaries". That's it, isn't it?
Every "major power" does it, but none to the degree Iran currently does.
So... "we do the exact same thing as Iran, but to a lesser extent".
I support a nation that tries to NOT kill civilians over one that EXCLUSIVELY kills civilians.
I don't support "nations" unconditionally. When Israel defends itself in the aftermath of October 7, I supported that. When Israel bombs Syria or Iran, with no casus belli, I find that contemptible, and Iran has every right to respond to that.
It is impossible to have a war with no civilian deaths, so blaming Israel while making excuses for Hamas & company is deplorable. :/
I'm not talking about Hamas. I'm talking about Israel's unprovoked assault on Iran. If you're cheering this, no doubt you were also cheering when Israel was bombing Syria. Great job, now ISIS and Al Qaeda are in charge. Or is that good because it aligns with the Deep State?
Look it up yourself. The "Final UN Report On WMDs" or whatever it's official title was? It was utterly ignored by the Media because it said there were both WMDs and Atomic Weapons programs active under Saddam. Exactly as Bush said.
They knew they had WMDs because the US sold them to Iraq. 🙄
Remember: the "they have WMDs" was "the sizzle" used to sell it to the US public. The "steak" was all the rest of the valid reasons, which are dry and take time, research & an IQ over room temperature to understand.
People aren't "the Russian state"
Didn't you just say the opposite about Iran? Isn't the argument for "returning Iran's "own money"" that The Shaw exploited the people of Iran for his personal wealth? Therefore his wealth actually belongs to the people/state? Even moreso for the Tsars.
Later you say it was their money "from oil sales" which were illegal under international embargos and thus lawfully confiscated & held for the next legitimate government of Iran. It's not just the US doing it, but they're burdened with actually enforcing it while European companies violate their own laws & make wads of $$$.
Did you get any message about that?
All they gave me was a link to the thread involved, with ~100+ comments. I figured out which was my offending comment from the deleted ones, and remembered I had replied with a joke to another comment which was also deleted. :/ The appeals just got the same form message, no word on what I had said that violated the rules.
So... "we do the exact same thing as Iran, but to a lesser extent".
I make an illegal right turn, you went 100 mph through a school zone at lunchtime... SAME THING! 😸 So yes.
I don't support "nations" unconditionally.
Neither do I. When Israel or any nation does bad things, I condemn them too. People (usually leftists) often ask me "Why don't you condemn them LOTS and LOUDLY?" To which I reply "Why should I when there's already 5 posts condemning this & 50 people screaming about it?" 🤔 I say I condemn it & why, but that's not good enough! I must march in lock-step with the left! So I'm told.
Israel has excessive "cause bellum" to bomb Syria or Iran! Assad had a chemical weapons program (fact) & Israel blew it to hell (fact) despite Russia having given Assad advanced air defenses (fact). Assad regularly launched missiles into Israel, supported terrorist groups & allowed weapon shipments to those groups.
If you're talking about Iran? You are also talking about it's proxy-armies too. It's like only talking about 3 of an octopus's arms & pretending the other 5 don't exist. Octopuses don't have 3 arms, ok? They have 8.
If 5 of them are strangling me, you point to the 3 that aren't and say "that octopus isn't harming you, these 3 arms are totally innocent! Leave the poor octopus alone!" 🙄
You're citing it in an argument. It's apparently too much of an effort to look it up yourself, so you expect me to do your work for you?
I mean, of course, it's complete nonsense. You're just still sipping the Bush Kool Aid, more than anyone.
They knew they had WMDs because the US sold them to Iraq. 🙄
And they were destroyed soon after the first Iraq War. Speaking of which, I thought you were such great humanitarians, and that you try to avoid civilian casualties. But you sell WMDs to Iraq so it can use them on civilian targets and even "his own people"?
Didn't you just say the opposite about Iran? Isn't the argument for "returning Iran's "own money"" that The Shaw exploited the people of Iran for his personal wealth? Therefore his wealth actually belongs to the people/state? Even moreso for the Tsars.
I think I clearly pointed out that I was not talking about any 1979 seizures, but the more recent ones. That's the money that Obama returned by unfreezing bank assets, right?
Later you say it was their money "from oil sales" which were illegal under international embargos
Is it? I assume you're going to tell me to LOOK IT UP YOURSELF here as well. So I'll just laugh at the fact that you try to invoke international law while defending the war in Iraq.
All they gave me was a link to the thread involved, with ~100+ comments. I figured out which was my offending comment from the deleted ones, and remembered I had replied with a joke to another comment which was also deleted. :/ The appeals just got the same form message, no word on what I had said that violated the rules.
There have been people who didn't even get that. Only "violations of policy as a user and a moderator".
I make an illegal right turn, you went 100 mph through a school zone at lunchtime... SAME THING! 😸 So yes.
Rather, "you went 100 mph through a school zone JUST LIKE ME but you did it once more!"
Of course, that's not even true, but just your vapid claim. If you look at the number of regime changes and coups that your beloved deep state neocons have sponsored, it's quite a bit more than those dreaded Eye-Ran-Ians.
I say I condemn it
You do? I sure didn't notice, but props if you do anyway.
Israel has excessive "cause bellum" to bomb Syria or Iran! Assad had a chemical weapons program (fact) & Israel blew it to hell (fact) despite Russia having given Assad advanced air defenses (fact). Assad regularly launched missiles into Israel, supported terrorist groups & allowed weapon shipments to those groups.
This looks like an AI hallucination. If it's not, please think your claims through before posting it. It's not illegal for Syria to have had a chemical weapons program, nor did Israel blow it up - but the bombings of Syria were an act of illegal aggression under international law which your deep state friends habitually violate, even while you hide behind it when you think it can provide you cover.
Is there a single deep state war / act of aggression that you DON'T support?
You are also talking about it's proxy-armies too. It's like only talking about 3 of an octopus's arms & pretending the other 5 don't exist. Octopuses don't have 3 arms, ok? They have 8.
I thought you defended proxy armies as "revolutionaries" when it suits the deep state thugs.
If 5 of them are strangling me, you point to the 3 that aren't and say "that octopus isn't harming you, these 3 arms are totally innocent! Leave the poor octopus alone!" 🙄
So wait, people have the right to strike back at the US for sponsoring proxy armies? I agree. Too bad the only way to do that is to develop nuclear weapons.
LOL.
Yeah, the media supported your WMD hoax when it mattered, and you do believe them, and defend their lie 22 years later. Apparently only if they're aligned with the Deep State.
First of all, it belonged to the Iranian 'state', not some vague idea of 'people' - which of course coincides with the Deep State deciding what happens in a country. Secondly, you're talking about a minuscule fraction of the Iranian assets that were stolen by the West.
Also, guess what another violent coup was... Ukraine's Maidan coup. But this is an argument of opportunity that you will only cite when it aligns with Deep State interests.
Their personal holdings != possessions of the Russian state.
I try not to, because at least you don't voice the same opinions as the Hivemind here - you probably get insulted enough for being somewhat independent on your thought. But it's hard because you're propounding the WMD hoax in 2025, which even the most rabid neocon is too embarrassed to do.
So... they do what the US did in Syria and many other places? Time to seize US assets to prevent it from funding terrorism.
No, I'm saying that what you demand is that every country be a sitting duck for every Western bombing campaign, because you'll nitpick every attempt to hit back with anything but the most hypermodern 'accurate' weapons in retaliation.
LOL all you like. The UN said so, US Intelligence saw the convoy of trucks going to and fro, and Israel blew them to hell inside Syria. All facts.
It wasn't a hoax though. The Media supported the war while it was convenient, but turned hard left eventually. They couldn't stomach being seen as helping a Republican, no matter what.
Whatever, comrade.
They WERE the government of Russia, this is basic stuff here, please try to keep up. They WERE the "Russian State" a fine point you seem to selectively understand when it suits you :/
Well thanks! I keep quiet more than I want to, but this place is WAY better than Reddit, which I got life-banned from shortly after becoming a Mod on some "right wing" humour subs... sheer coincidence! They refused to say why, of course, just a vague reference to a joke I'd made :/ They wouldn't even quote it, even though I KNOW they could have. Even a lowly sub-Mod can do it, as I had learned.
Go ahead, you first! You think Iran didn't seize US assets within it's borders? They assuredly did.
Funding revolutionaries or insurgents within a nation is a WORLD of difference than funding international terrorist organizations. Every "major power" does it, but none to the degree Iran currently does.
War is hell. I support a nation that tries to NOT kill civilians over one that EXCLUSIVELY kills civilians. Accidentally killing civilians vs accidentally killing soldiers? It's a no-brainer. It is impossible to have a war with no civilian deaths, so blaming Israel while making excuses for Hamas & company is deplorable. :/
Quote it.
US intelligence is a contradiction in terms.
Got it, not supporting senseless wars is 'far-left'.
I thought you were a 2000s "right-winger" time-warped into the present. Turns out you're using Cold War-era insults. I guess not supporting theft is "communism" now?
This is beyond absurd. People aren't "the Russian state". The tsar's family can have personal accounts as well as accounts in name of the Russian state.
I've heard that from more people. Did you get any message about that?
Hold on. You keep moving the goalposts. You were complaining that Biden and Obama "gave" the Iranians money. That was, of course, their own money from oil sales. Why don't you address that fact instead?
And the difference is that you label anyone you don't like an "international terrorist organization", while calling the ISIS/Al Qaeda terrorists the Deep State funded "revolutionaries". That's it, isn't it?
So... "we do the exact same thing as Iran, but to a lesser extent".
I don't support "nations" unconditionally. When Israel defends itself in the aftermath of October 7, I supported that. When Israel bombs Syria or Iran, with no casus belli, I find that contemptible, and Iran has every right to respond to that.
I'm not talking about Hamas. I'm talking about Israel's unprovoked assault on Iran. If you're cheering this, no doubt you were also cheering when Israel was bombing Syria. Great job, now ISIS and Al Qaeda are in charge. Or is that good because it aligns with the Deep State?
Look it up yourself. The "Final UN Report On WMDs" or whatever it's official title was? It was utterly ignored by the Media because it said there were both WMDs and Atomic Weapons programs active under Saddam. Exactly as Bush said.
They knew they had WMDs because the US sold them to Iraq. 🙄
Remember: the "they have WMDs" was "the sizzle" used to sell it to the US public. The "steak" was all the rest of the valid reasons, which are dry and take time, research & an IQ over room temperature to understand.
Didn't you just say the opposite about Iran? Isn't the argument for "returning Iran's "own money"" that The Shaw exploited the people of Iran for his personal wealth? Therefore his wealth actually belongs to the people/state? Even moreso for the Tsars.
Later you say it was their money "from oil sales" which were illegal under international embargos and thus lawfully confiscated & held for the next legitimate government of Iran. It's not just the US doing it, but they're burdened with actually enforcing it while European companies violate their own laws & make wads of $$$.
All they gave me was a link to the thread involved, with ~100+ comments. I figured out which was my offending comment from the deleted ones, and remembered I had replied with a joke to another comment which was also deleted. :/ The appeals just got the same form message, no word on what I had said that violated the rules.
I make an illegal right turn, you went 100 mph through a school zone at lunchtime... SAME THING! 😸 So yes.
Neither do I. When Israel or any nation does bad things, I condemn them too. People (usually leftists) often ask me "Why don't you condemn them LOTS and LOUDLY?" To which I reply "Why should I when there's already 5 posts condemning this & 50 people screaming about it?" 🤔 I say I condemn it & why, but that's not good enough! I must march in lock-step with the left! So I'm told.
Israel has excessive "cause bellum" to bomb Syria or Iran! Assad had a chemical weapons program (fact) & Israel blew it to hell (fact) despite Russia having given Assad advanced air defenses (fact). Assad regularly launched missiles into Israel, supported terrorist groups & allowed weapon shipments to those groups.
If you're talking about Iran? You are also talking about it's proxy-armies too. It's like only talking about 3 of an octopus's arms & pretending the other 5 don't exist. Octopuses don't have 3 arms, ok? They have 8.
If 5 of them are strangling me, you point to the 3 that aren't and say "that octopus isn't harming you, these 3 arms are totally innocent! Leave the poor octopus alone!" 🙄
You're citing it in an argument. It's apparently too much of an effort to look it up yourself, so you expect me to do your work for you?
I mean, of course, it's complete nonsense. You're just still sipping the Bush Kool Aid, more than anyone.
And they were destroyed soon after the first Iraq War. Speaking of which, I thought you were such great humanitarians, and that you try to avoid civilian casualties. But you sell WMDs to Iraq so it can use them on civilian targets and even "his own people"?
I think I clearly pointed out that I was not talking about any 1979 seizures, but the more recent ones. That's the money that Obama returned by unfreezing bank assets, right?
Is it? I assume you're going to tell me to LOOK IT UP YOURSELF here as well. So I'll just laugh at the fact that you try to invoke international law while defending the war in Iraq.
There have been people who didn't even get that. Only "violations of policy as a user and a moderator".
Rather, "you went 100 mph through a school zone JUST LIKE ME but you did it once more!"
Of course, that's not even true, but just your vapid claim. If you look at the number of regime changes and coups that your beloved deep state neocons have sponsored, it's quite a bit more than those dreaded Eye-Ran-Ians.
You do? I sure didn't notice, but props if you do anyway.
This looks like an AI hallucination. If it's not, please think your claims through before posting it. It's not illegal for Syria to have had a chemical weapons program, nor did Israel blow it up - but the bombings of Syria were an act of illegal aggression under international law which your deep state friends habitually violate, even while you hide behind it when you think it can provide you cover.
Is there a single deep state war / act of aggression that you DON'T support?
I thought you defended proxy armies as "revolutionaries" when it suits the deep state thugs.
So wait, people have the right to strike back at the US for sponsoring proxy armies? I agree. Too bad the only way to do that is to develop nuclear weapons.