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the people who call you "woke right" (media.kotakuinaction2.win)
posted 1 year ago by Telia 1 year ago by Telia +127 / -0
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– Gizortnik 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

No purity spiral every spirals towards truth. Just towards power.

Someone in a position of power defines what perfect righteousness is, then demands acquiescence to that, then will later change the definition of righteousness as they see fit, and his acolytes will follow with him.

The Left do it all the time.

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– ApexVeritas 18 points 1 year ago +18 / -0

No purity spiral every spirals towards truth.

Purely hypothetically, lets pretend the world was taken over by extremely corrupt and evil people, who took hold of the positions of power, a hundred or so years ago. Then, they start exerting greater and greater influence upon all the institutions of society, as they further infiltrate and subvert those institutions, using them to put forth propaganda and lies to brainwash people. The institutions become so corrupt that they now push forth only lies and propaganda, which were able to brainwash entire generations because of their monopoly of control over all mediums of information sharing. Let's also say, purely hypothetically, that a new medium for information sharing is invented (we could call it "the internet"), which lets average people talk to each other outside the confines, control, and censorship of the mainstream media. This new medium allows people to discuss the truth, to spread the truth, person to person. Over time, this discussion of truth wakes more and more people up, not just to the overt lies, but to the small ones, and to the big ones that have been fully ingrained into all of society by this point.

In this purely hypothetical scenario, the brainwashed masses, merely by discussing and spreading the truth, will ipso facto participate in a purity spiral towards truth, because the only things they're disproving and getting rid of are lies and propaganda, as they move back toward the truth, the truths which were abandoned and censored previously as the evil people in power began to exert control over information sharing.

This doesn't necessarily mean that all the posited alternatives are true, but it does mean that the outright lies are being rejected, which necessarily will mean that, purely from a numbers game, more truth will be embraced than not, comparative to the possibility that the people had remained under the control of the propaganda and lies.

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– ArchRespawnsAgain 16 points 1 year ago +16 / -0

There is nothing Gizortnik and the faggots in this image fear more than gentiles having power completely outside of Jewish control and influence. This specifically, is what the "woke right" regime polemic is meant to attack rather than general racism, anti-Semitism, anti-Zionism, etc. Among those kosher cock sucking conservatives, saying that you want power or even want it used for your interests is nearly as controversial as saying "nigger." They want seeking power to be a taboo for the goyim and push for Open Society conservativism.

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– ApexVeritas 7 points 1 year ago +7 / -0

True, which is why the false (mainstream) right wing also demonizes racism, antisemitism, White nationalism, and White collectivism. They're a trap, built into the political terrain, to trap and hold people trying to move to the right, in an attempt to make sense of the world, to find solutions, and to find groups and leader working for their best interests. But, the false (mainstream) right, is just a trap, and does not work for our best interests. They're actively working against us, while claiming to be our friends.

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– ernsithe 3 points 1 year ago +3 / -0

"purity spiral" toward truth

I think I get what you're trying to say, but that's not really a "spiral." The defining characteristic of a purity spiral is that the circle of acceptable keeps shrinking. The group keeps redefining its membership until there is no group remaining. "You're not really X unless Y," where Y becomes more specific over time.

If there is an objective truth, you can't purity spiral to it because a "spiral" would mean either the definition of truth keeps changing or it can only be known to one person. If what you mean is a spiral-like group behavior that actually stops once it reaches some point, it's not really a purity spiral.

Edit: This is just comments on terminology. Giz is still being a spaz.

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– ApexVeritas 3 points 1 year ago +3 / -0

On the contrary. Moving toward truth is necessarily a purity spiral. As one moves towards and builds upon truth, more and more falsehoods and lies are abandoned, necessarily requiring someone (or people) to become more stringent on what they consider right and wrong.

Comparative to everything that is false, the truth is infinitely narrow. Think of it in terms of math. 1=1 and only 1. 1 does not equal 2, 3, 4, 5, 112, 12858923492, -1, -2, -21123243, 0.000000642, -523465.22348238482, etc. ad infinitum. Out of the infinite numbers, 1 is only equal to 1. There are an infinite number of wrong possibilities, but only one that is correct. This is true for all truth.

The more we understand truth, the more falsehoods and lies we eliminate from the possibility of being true, which necessarily narrows our understanding of what is true, what is right, and what is good. That's a purity spiral.

Most associate a purity spiral with what the left is doing. And, they're absolutely purity spiraling, but they're spiraling downward toward hell. The "virtues" they hold aren't virtues, they're anti-virtues, they're lies. Everything they argue, believe, and advocate for is destructive, which is one of the best indicators that something is wrong, in part or total. However, their purity spiral isn't organic. It's being pushed from the top down, by incredibly evil people who knew that we'd never accept their end goals. If they outright told us what they wanted, we (or our ancestors) would've killed them immediately. So, in their attempt to get us to those end goals, they incrementalize the journey. They get us to move from A to B, normalize B, propagandize B, and convince us that B is right and A is evil. When most accept B, they then move us to C, and then to D, and so on, until they get us to the end goal. That's the purity spiral the left (and mainstream right) are doing. They keep demonizing more and more things, the more and more mundane, to get us to the end goal of what the people in power actually want.

However, they accelerated this incrementalism lately, which is what's woken so many people up to what's happening. The frogs are jumping out of the boiling pot of water. And, as they progress their evil and lies, it becomes more unacceptable to more people, and no matter how much they try to normalize it via the media, schools, and propaganda, fewer and fewer people will accept it.

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– ernsithe 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

Comparative to everything that is false, the truth is infinitely narrow.

That's an interesting way of putting it... But it's like saying the Leibniz Series "purity spirals" towards pi/4. Arguably true I suppose but so disconnected from what anyone else who uses or reads the term expects it to mean that it's essentially useless.

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– Gizortnik 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

Literally no part of that even challenges my argument. As such, I don't have anything to respond to you with.

People don't need purity spirals to find the truth, I guess? That's probably the most relevant thing I can say between what you wrote and what I wrote.

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– ApexVeritas 6 points 1 year ago +6 / -0

Truth is necessarily self refining and discriminatory, by its nature.

As I stated in another reply, think of it in terms of math. 1=1 and only 1. 1 does not equal 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, -1, -2, -3, 0.1, 0.01, 0.001, -0.1, -0.01, etc. at infinitum. Out of an infinite number of false statements, there is only one true statement. This is true for all truth. The very existence of one truthful thing, necessarily makes all other statements in contrary to it false.

To pursue truth necessarily means you're in a purity spiral, by rejecting more and more false things and embracing fewer and fewer true things. Granted, however, that truth is infinite, but falsehoods and lies are infinitely infinite.

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– Gizortnik 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

Going purely from this abstract philosophical basis, which I honestly respect, even Truth can purity spiral.

You actually see this all the time in Science and it's a major reason they don't understand some basic things because they aren't taking the hint. Even with your statement: 1=1, that's not fully true. 0.999 repeating IS equal to 1. This is because if the difference between a number and an infinitesimally small decrease in that number means that there is no actual difference between those numbers, because an infinitely small difference is no real difference. Moreover, you will sometimes see physicists using "Pi = 3" in some calculations. Mathematicians may not like it, but for experimental purposes, if your error and significant digits don't really need that level of precision, this calculation is VALID. The same thing goes for infinite sums of sines and cosines to create a waveform.

All of this is to say that in the natural world, the level of precision you are seeking CAN NOT be infinite. You physically can't know complete precision before your measurements themselves interfere in the ability for you to measure something.

So, if you are hyper-fixating on precision, you will inevitably fail to understand anything you are talking about, because you've purity spiraled on your precision. Anyone asserting you need to have certain levels of precision (either more or less than what is practically needed for the problem) is just exerting power over you.

If you're religious, this would actually make sense to you. Total knowledge is omnipotence, and only God can have that.

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