The thing is, the super pro legal immigration stance is correct on the proper scale. Take a very important and rapidly developing field like AI for instance. 100 geniuses that are at the top of the field will do more to generate progress than 10,000 mid level tech employees, and those geniuses are available in very limited quantities. Okay, have systems in place to fast track people who are proven to be on that level.
If that, and that alone, were the topic of discussion here, I could agree. But they take it way too far. There is no need to import thousands and thousands of pajeets other than to flood the market with cheap labor and depress wages for the native population.
I wasn't speaking on any specific program, just a general sentiment regarding legal immigration. But yeah if there's already a separate program for actual geniuses then the H1B could really be scrapped altogether.
O1s are almost exclusively arts and athletes. They throw in science in some of their application guidance but half the time they forget and just say arts and athletes. I think even the very top tier science and engineering people are far more likely to get to the US on an H1B visa than an O1
Like maybe the only scientists coming in on O1s are Nobel prize winners who want to move before even having a job lined up.
Then the solution isn't to allow in all H1Bs, it's to fix the system already in place.
This is the problem with statists of any variety. They use one much smaller issue to push through a far bigger problem that they support. In this case it's beneficial, intelligent immigrants that could provide big economic benefits, but with it we also need to let in a wave of low-value migrants that can flood the lower and middle economic job markets. Another common example is the push for censorship, most commonly rationalised with "won't someone think of the children".
Statists, totalitarians and authoritarians all love using Motte and Bailey techniques to justify and rationalise why they need to be given more and more power.
It's still not worth it, if they don't genuinely love America...and that's really hard to vet. I'm generally in agreement with you, but even that sort of thing is very dangerous.
Look at post-WW2. We imported all the Marxists, communists, and socialists to do rocketry, nuclear, and the like. I'm not sure what the numbers were, but certainly much, much less than our current immigration numbers. And they completely fucked the country, perhaps irreparably so.
A relatively small number of subversives can do massive cultural damage so, if we are going to try to poach the geniuses, we have to select for more than just skill, intelligence, and accomplishment. Even that's not enough. That said, considering we have so many Americans who hate America nowadays, grabbing a few geniuses is still probably a net gain in the current scheme of things.
You’re describing the importance of coherence. You can only change so much before you are no longer the same thing. Nationalism is pride in who you are and what you came from, which is why subversives work so hard to demonize and destroy it - so they can replace “who you are” with what they want you to be. Civic nationalism is just another type of subversion - anyone can become who you are, and take what you were given, if they say the right passwords.
You’re describing the importance of coherence. You can only change so much before you are no longer the same thing.
Ship of Theseus, and all that, yeah. That's part of it, but I was more talking individual subversives. You don't have to replace every part of the ship/nation, to change it drastically. You can leave most of the parts the same, but corrupt them. Think of it like termites versus replacing the parts. Termites, you'll have the same ship and pieces, but it will have been eaten away from the inside.
I used to work at a company where they wanted to bring in H1B workers from Mexico, because they were cheaper. However, by law, they have to advertise for job openings locally, and accept American workers first. They would advertise for job openings, get tons of applications, throw all of those applications in the trash, and then tell the government "no one wants to do these jobs". Then they'd get to import foreign workers.
This happens all over, across all sectors of the economy. It's one giant con game for companies to import cheaper labor. To make matters worse, all large companies, and entire sectors (like the tech sector) now publically deny all White male applicants. This is illegal, but allowed to happen, because the government and globalists want it.
What does any of that have to do with my comment, where I say legal immigration in this context only makes sense for actual geniuses, which only exist on the scale of hundreds of people at most?
I literally say the only reason to import thousands and thousands of pajeets is to depress wages. I seriously feel like no one read my comment past the first sentence.
You defended the H1B program and the current demographic replacement of White people in our own countries. You explicitly argued that it is better to bring in "100 geniuses that are at the top of the field" (implying foreigners), than to hire White men. Your statement is naive of what's actually happening. We have tons of local White men capable of doing these jobs. It's just that the systems in place are corrupt, they're throwing away applications from locals, are putting up ads to locals which demand extremely unreasonable criteria for the job (to prevent locals from applying), are intentionally not hiring White men, and are then outsourcing jobs to foreigners or importing foreigners under the H1B scam, purely to get cheaper labor. If you'd bother to listen to the miles long list of anecdotal examples, or the open books for H1B job openings, you'd see what's happening plain as day. I already knew what was happening, because I worked at a company that did this, in the open, and were never punished for it.
where I say legal immigration in this context only makes sense for actual geniuses
How come we're only importing "geniuses" from non-white countries? Why are we never importing European geniuses? Weird. Have you not heard of the Kalergi plan? The cabal in power have openly expressed the desire to replace White people in our own countries, through open borders and mass immigration of non-whites, to replace and genocide us. Since the Hart-Celler act of 1965 in the U.S., and the opening of Europe's, Canada's, South Africa's, Rhodesia's, and Australia's borders, we've seen the largest demographic replacement of a people in the history of the planet. And it's entirely intentional and malicious. Most normies don't know about this, even though the cabal admit to it in the open, in their own books, and brag about it, but it's just not broadcast in mainstream news (even on the mainstream right, who are in on the plan) or taught in schools.
White people have some of the highest IQs on the planet. If a company can't find a genius level White guy to do the work, it means something is seriously wrong with the systems in place. If you can't find a local to do the job, it means locals need to be trained to do the job, not import infinity non-whites to do it. Your way would only replace us, but slower, which fits perfectly fine with the people in power.
I literally say the only reason to import thousands and thousands of pajeets is to depress wages. I seriously feel like no one read my comment past the first sentence.
Even if we only import "the best of the best" non-whites foreigners, what would result from that? All of our best jobs and positions would be filled with foreigners, who would lord over the local White people, and not act in our best interests. We see endless examples of this all over the West. Foreigners gain power over a company, a sector, a government, and they use it to benefit their own people, to the detriment of the locals. Indians gain control of hiring at a company, they fire all the White people, and hire all Indians. Mexicans "do the jobs we don't want to do" (even though White people have done those jobs for thousands of years), they come in, depress everyone's wages, push out White people (because we know those low wages are bullshit), the companies lobby government to allow in more foreign workers, immigration of non-whites accelerates, makes the problem worse, depresses wages in other sectors of society, and the trend keeps accelerating for the worse.
People have a right to rule themselves, to have their own leaders, to have their own groups, to gatekeep out undesirables, to control who enters their homes and nations. If a group or people are denied these rights, they will eventually cease to exist.
Your way is a slow death, but still death, and fits perfectly in line with the Kalergi plan. Your idea is a failure, and White people are increasingly realizing the failures of it, which is why more and more are pushing back, as we're constantly fucked over by these corrupt systems and false ideas.
I didn't comment on H1B at all. I was making a statement on legal immigration in general. When I say 100 people, I'm talking about literal genius level talent, the likes of which is limited to a very small handful of people globally. The 0.0001%. I'm not talking about the hordes of 10s of thousands of pajeets.
Bringing in geniuses on the scale of 100s of people annually (in reality it might not even be that many), is not a slow death when it's a country of 300 million people, and it's ridiculous to suggest that it would be.
You've sperged about a lot of things wrong with the current system that I would largely agree with, but it has nothing to do with my comment. Yes, I would absolutely agree that we should be poaching the Norweigan genius as well. As a matter of fact, given the IQ distribution of a lot of the less desirable races, the foreign white or asian (chink not brown) genius should be much more common than the pajeet ones. It's all about creating a system with strict guidelines and ensuring it isn't exploited for uses beyond those that were intended.
I would agree that as executed now, these programs could be scaled down by like 99% or more, and I can't be bothered to go back and forth about where to draw that line within the remaining 1% when we are so far away from what either of us would want at this point. I'm content to just agree that we know which direction things need to be pushed; we can quabble over when to stop pushing later.
The thing is, the super pro legal immigration stance is correct on the proper scale. Take a very important and rapidly developing field like AI for instance. 100 geniuses that are at the top of the field will do more to generate progress than 10,000 mid level tech employees, and those geniuses are available in very limited quantities. Okay, have systems in place to fast track people who are proven to be on that level.
If that, and that alone, were the topic of discussion here, I could agree. But they take it way too far. There is no need to import thousands and thousands of pajeets other than to flood the market with cheap labor and depress wages for the native population.
H1Bs are not for the elite recruits. That's a separate program. You've been bamboozled into thinking H1Bs and O1s are the same.
I wasn't speaking on any specific program, just a general sentiment regarding legal immigration. But yeah if there's already a separate program for actual geniuses then the H1B could really be scrapped altogether.
O1s are almost exclusively arts and athletes. They throw in science in some of their application guidance but half the time they forget and just say arts and athletes. I think even the very top tier science and engineering people are far more likely to get to the US on an H1B visa than an O1
Like maybe the only scientists coming in on O1s are Nobel prize winners who want to move before even having a job lined up.
I fail to see the problem.
Then the solution isn't to allow in all H1Bs, it's to fix the system already in place.
This is the problem with statists of any variety. They use one much smaller issue to push through a far bigger problem that they support. In this case it's beneficial, intelligent immigrants that could provide big economic benefits, but with it we also need to let in a wave of low-value migrants that can flood the lower and middle economic job markets. Another common example is the push for censorship, most commonly rationalised with "won't someone think of the children".
Statists, totalitarians and authoritarians all love using Motte and Bailey techniques to justify and rationalise why they need to be given more and more power.
Jesus. I didn't say we should be coming through on H1Bs, just that they are.
The other guy said the elite scientists were already all coming through on O1 visas, that's just not true and I prefer the truth be stated plainly.
It's still not worth it, if they don't genuinely love America...and that's really hard to vet. I'm generally in agreement with you, but even that sort of thing is very dangerous.
Look at post-WW2. We imported all the Marxists, communists, and socialists to do rocketry, nuclear, and the like. I'm not sure what the numbers were, but certainly much, much less than our current immigration numbers. And they completely fucked the country, perhaps irreparably so.
A relatively small number of subversives can do massive cultural damage so, if we are going to try to poach the geniuses, we have to select for more than just skill, intelligence, and accomplishment. Even that's not enough. That said, considering we have so many Americans who hate America nowadays, grabbing a few geniuses is still probably a net gain in the current scheme of things.
You’re describing the importance of coherence. You can only change so much before you are no longer the same thing. Nationalism is pride in who you are and what you came from, which is why subversives work so hard to demonize and destroy it - so they can replace “who you are” with what they want you to be. Civic nationalism is just another type of subversion - anyone can become who you are, and take what you were given, if they say the right passwords.
Ship of Theseus, and all that, yeah. That's part of it, but I was more talking individual subversives. You don't have to replace every part of the ship/nation, to change it drastically. You can leave most of the parts the same, but corrupt them. Think of it like termites versus replacing the parts. Termites, you'll have the same ship and pieces, but it will have been eaten away from the inside.
You're not familiar with the con being played?
I used to work at a company where they wanted to bring in H1B workers from Mexico, because they were cheaper. However, by law, they have to advertise for job openings locally, and accept American workers first. They would advertise for job openings, get tons of applications, throw all of those applications in the trash, and then tell the government "no one wants to do these jobs". Then they'd get to import foreign workers.
This happens all over, across all sectors of the economy. It's one giant con game for companies to import cheaper labor. To make matters worse, all large companies, and entire sectors (like the tech sector) now publically deny all White male applicants. This is illegal, but allowed to happen, because the government and globalists want it.
What does any of that have to do with my comment, where I say legal immigration in this context only makes sense for actual geniuses, which only exist on the scale of hundreds of people at most?
I literally say the only reason to import thousands and thousands of pajeets is to depress wages. I seriously feel like no one read my comment past the first sentence.
You defended the H1B program and the current demographic replacement of White people in our own countries. You explicitly argued that it is better to bring in "100 geniuses that are at the top of the field" (implying foreigners), than to hire White men. Your statement is naive of what's actually happening. We have tons of local White men capable of doing these jobs. It's just that the systems in place are corrupt, they're throwing away applications from locals, are putting up ads to locals which demand extremely unreasonable criteria for the job (to prevent locals from applying), are intentionally not hiring White men, and are then outsourcing jobs to foreigners or importing foreigners under the H1B scam, purely to get cheaper labor. If you'd bother to listen to the miles long list of anecdotal examples, or the open books for H1B job openings, you'd see what's happening plain as day. I already knew what was happening, because I worked at a company that did this, in the open, and were never punished for it.
How come we're only importing "geniuses" from non-white countries? Why are we never importing European geniuses? Weird. Have you not heard of the Kalergi plan? The cabal in power have openly expressed the desire to replace White people in our own countries, through open borders and mass immigration of non-whites, to replace and genocide us. Since the Hart-Celler act of 1965 in the U.S., and the opening of Europe's, Canada's, South Africa's, Rhodesia's, and Australia's borders, we've seen the largest demographic replacement of a people in the history of the planet. And it's entirely intentional and malicious. Most normies don't know about this, even though the cabal admit to it in the open, in their own books, and brag about it, but it's just not broadcast in mainstream news (even on the mainstream right, who are in on the plan) or taught in schools.
White people have some of the highest IQs on the planet. If a company can't find a genius level White guy to do the work, it means something is seriously wrong with the systems in place. If you can't find a local to do the job, it means locals need to be trained to do the job, not import infinity non-whites to do it. Your way would only replace us, but slower, which fits perfectly fine with the people in power.
Even if we only import "the best of the best" non-whites foreigners, what would result from that? All of our best jobs and positions would be filled with foreigners, who would lord over the local White people, and not act in our best interests. We see endless examples of this all over the West. Foreigners gain power over a company, a sector, a government, and they use it to benefit their own people, to the detriment of the locals. Indians gain control of hiring at a company, they fire all the White people, and hire all Indians. Mexicans "do the jobs we don't want to do" (even though White people have done those jobs for thousands of years), they come in, depress everyone's wages, push out White people (because we know those low wages are bullshit), the companies lobby government to allow in more foreign workers, immigration of non-whites accelerates, makes the problem worse, depresses wages in other sectors of society, and the trend keeps accelerating for the worse.
People have a right to rule themselves, to have their own leaders, to have their own groups, to gatekeep out undesirables, to control who enters their homes and nations. If a group or people are denied these rights, they will eventually cease to exist.
Your way is a slow death, but still death, and fits perfectly in line with the Kalergi plan. Your idea is a failure, and White people are increasingly realizing the failures of it, which is why more and more are pushing back, as we're constantly fucked over by these corrupt systems and false ideas.
I didn't comment on H1B at all. I was making a statement on legal immigration in general. When I say 100 people, I'm talking about literal genius level talent, the likes of which is limited to a very small handful of people globally. The 0.0001%. I'm not talking about the hordes of 10s of thousands of pajeets.
Bringing in geniuses on the scale of 100s of people annually (in reality it might not even be that many), is not a slow death when it's a country of 300 million people, and it's ridiculous to suggest that it would be.
You've sperged about a lot of things wrong with the current system that I would largely agree with, but it has nothing to do with my comment. Yes, I would absolutely agree that we should be poaching the Norweigan genius as well. As a matter of fact, given the IQ distribution of a lot of the less desirable races, the foreign white or asian (chink not brown) genius should be much more common than the pajeet ones. It's all about creating a system with strict guidelines and ensuring it isn't exploited for uses beyond those that were intended.
I would agree that as executed now, these programs could be scaled down by like 99% or more, and I can't be bothered to go back and forth about where to draw that line within the remaining 1% when we are so far away from what either of us would want at this point. I'm content to just agree that we know which direction things need to be pushed; we can quabble over when to stop pushing later.
Oh fuck OFF!
Use your words retard. And read the post until the end.