O1s are almost exclusively arts and athletes. They throw in science in some of their application guidance but half the time they forget and just say arts and athletes. I think even the very top tier science and engineering people are far more likely to get to the US on an H1B visa than an O1
Like maybe the only scientists coming in on O1s are Nobel prize winners who want to move before even having a job lined up.
Then the solution isn't to allow in all H1Bs, it's to fix the system already in place.
This is the problem with statists of any variety. They use one much smaller issue to push through a far bigger problem that they support. In this case it's beneficial, intelligent immigrants that could provide big economic benefits, but with it we also need to let in a wave of low-value migrants that can flood the lower and middle economic job markets. Another common example is the push for censorship, most commonly rationalised with "won't someone think of the children".
Statists, totalitarians and authoritarians all love using Motte and Bailey techniques to justify and rationalise why they need to be given more and more power.
I wasn't trying to say that you were, but that this is ultimately the argument Elon will inevitably be relying on to continue allowing H1Bs through, because it's already the existing argument of the establishment.
I was also trying to outline that this circumstance still isn't an excuse for people like Elon, since there's meant to already be a framework that's meant to allow the people he's trying to support through. Because statists love using a broken system to advocate for a bigger and expanded system, and not fixing what is already there.
That's the O1A subcatgory, the one specifically for science, business and athletics. Everything else is 01B, which typically outsizes the O1A approvals. For example in 2019 there were ~3000 STEM approvals out of ~17700 total O1 visas.
O1s are almost exclusively arts and athletes. They throw in science in some of their application guidance but half the time they forget and just say arts and athletes. I think even the very top tier science and engineering people are far more likely to get to the US on an H1B visa than an O1
Like maybe the only scientists coming in on O1s are Nobel prize winners who want to move before even having a job lined up.
Then the solution isn't to allow in all H1Bs, it's to fix the system already in place.
This is the problem with statists of any variety. They use one much smaller issue to push through a far bigger problem that they support. In this case it's beneficial, intelligent immigrants that could provide big economic benefits, but with it we also need to let in a wave of low-value migrants that can flood the lower and middle economic job markets. Another common example is the push for censorship, most commonly rationalised with "won't someone think of the children".
Statists, totalitarians and authoritarians all love using Motte and Bailey techniques to justify and rationalise why they need to be given more and more power.
Jesus. I didn't say we should be coming through on H1Bs, just that they are.
The other guy said the elite scientists were already all coming through on O1 visas, that's just not true and I prefer the truth be stated plainly.
I wasn't trying to say that you were, but that this is ultimately the argument Elon will inevitably be relying on to continue allowing H1Bs through, because it's already the existing argument of the establishment.
I was also trying to outline that this circumstance still isn't an excuse for people like Elon, since there's meant to already be a framework that's meant to allow the people he's trying to support through. Because statists love using a broken system to advocate for a bigger and expanded system, and not fixing what is already there.
All fair and true, I just never want to be mistaken as a bigger state advocate so wanted to be proactive there.
That's the O1A subcatgory, the one specifically for science, business and athletics. Everything else is 01B, which typically outsizes the O1A approvals. For example in 2019 there were ~3000 STEM approvals out of ~17700 total O1 visas.