Wow, what an absolute fucking retard you are, then.
It's too bad a gorilla convinced you to be wrong about the holocaust and not any actual evidence, or mass graves, or documents, or admissions, or literally anything else.
I don't know how many people were killed in the Holocaust, but it was too many (not just Jews), and nobody should be exterminated by their government.
But I believe the official numbers about as much as I believe any other official numbers that are not allowed to be questioned or discussed. (crime rates, global warming data, IQ differences, etc)
And if you insist that I have to either say "it was 6 million" or that it makes me a bad person, well then, I guess I'm a bad person or whatever you want to call me.
And if it's going to come to blows over a number that neither you nor I have any way of verifying, so be it. I'm not saying your stupid fucking number.
That's where I am too. There was certainly an absurdly large scale killing of some kind for undesirables (not just Jews) but the official numbers and how they reached them require far too much trust in people I'd never trust otherwise, and on any topic most people wouldn't either.
But even if the real number was bigger than claimed and it all happened as said, it wouldn't change the fact that people treating "accept the official narrative as sacrosanct or you are evil" is a dangerous platform to stand on and nobody of intellectual value should hold it.
Even more so, it shouldn't be treated as somehow impossible to both believe the Holocaust happened and that the Jews have been embellishing and exploiting it for further gain ever since. Yet for people like him, that's just not a position allowed.
The numbers are allowed to be questioned you just have to not be an idiot about it. Comments like "it was to many", even if we want to exclude jews and include political prisoners and atrocities committed against slaves, is such an ignorant comment it shows you have no knowledge on the subject.
It's like saying, "so what if a few rich plantation owners starved" in response to the Holodomor. It's not even remotely connected to reality.
Most conspiracy theories have connections to reality, but the autist doesn't know how to put it together. Those are honest mistakes by people who don't know but are confused and skeptical. But with holocaust denial, it's only ever been motivated reasoning. You wouldn't believe any amount of evidence. You don't believe the admissions by the nazis. You don't believe the footage when you see it. It's not even just a conspiracy theory at that point, it's just motivated reasoning.
I shouldn't have to explain to someone that the entirety of the holocaust didn't take place only in Auschwitz, yet that's the level of motivated ignorance that I end up dealing with.
Thanks I corrected it in the the quote, you shit-eating fuck.
Anyways, the point remains: An insane lack of comprehension. The kind of comprehension a 5 year old might be able to take way from it. "Some people died on 9/11 and people were scared." Great, now about what actually happened...
Yeah, Gizortnik goes from being one of the more eloquent members of this group to a maniacal liar/mis-representer as soon as the holofrost or global warming are mentioned.
Spare me. They're including the US in their list of countries where you can't question numbers. In fact, they are claiming all countries on Earth on that list.
Colonialism isn't a mistake. It's bad policy. You're not helping anyone.
The Holocaust is real, and the level of abject denial you are demanding on living in is a personal failure.
It is your position that Pfizer can do know wrong because no amount of Pfizer's own evidence can convince you. By the way, you might want to check out where Pfizer comes from and who they worked with.
Gizortnik, we wound up on this channel because everyone from every media source lied to us. I don't know about you, but I wanted to know the actual truth, and it started with challenging the sources of information and verifying what could be verified.
The more I did that, the more of my worldview fell down around my shoulders. My relentless search for truth has lead me to some very uncomfortable places and shown me that I was wrong about almost everything.
Watching you toe the party line on their major points, like "colonialism BAD" is both sad and infuriating.
Watching you come right out of the gates by insulting the shit out of everyone who disagrees with you has been even sadder.
I have known that Phizer were lying from very close to the start, partly because I've studied pharmacology, design and analysis of biological studies, and statistics.
During the pandemic, I grew very, very wary of "facts that may not be challenged"
And here you are with the number of 6 million and a bad attitude.
Applying Game Theory to the pandemic bullshit worked pretty well. How about we apply exactly the same Game Theory to your number?
I never denied the Jewish holocaust, but the harder you argue that the facts are not to be challenged, the more I start to doubt that facts are as they have been presented.
Colonialism is bad on principle. It's, at best, a wasted effort trying to "civilize" people who don't want it. At it's worst, it a tyranny that only exists to perpetuate tyranny. The old empires fell because the profit of maintaining an empire simply pays for the cost of maintaining it. That's not even a mainstream position.
I will never get tired of shitting on Holocaut Deniers. I'll say this again for the umpteenth time. This is not a conspiracy theory. I can respect conspiracy theorists most of the time. Normally they are autistic about minutia that they are generally ignorant about the implications of. "Why didn't the bullet do this?" "Why wasn't the security guard here?" "How come this guy didn't know that?" Holocaust Denial is motivated reasoning and nothing else. The less people know about the Holocaust, the more they scream that it didn't happen. The HD'ers are the Useful Idiots of the activists class who know it happened and are fucking proud of what they did.
Socialists pull this shit all the time. Nobody died in the Cuban Revolution, or in the Cultural Revolution, or in the Holodomor, or on October 7th. They do it 100% of the time because they need Useful Idiots to just deny the facts on it's face, because the activist class are the ones saying "we only killed colonialists", "we had to destroy the old capitalist ways", "the Kulaks were exploiting people", and "there are no civilians in Israel." It's just a move from "it's not happening" to "it's happening and it's a good thing".
I never argued the facts not be challenged. I said, you don't even have facts to argue from. It's a big difference. You're not debating anything, you're asserting the moved goal post of someone else's narrative.
~270k mostly from disease and starvation because the allies destroyed the rail lines. And most of them weren't in there for being jewish, they were in there for being commies. Just that the overlap was close to universal.
How many german civilians were intentionally starved after the war was over under the "allies" watch? Why don't we have a museum in every state for that?
You lost, the dam has broken, the boomers are dying off and your narrative is dying with them.
All of these are wrong and misnomer. I was told that Dachau had a "Zoo" which was a 12' x 12' building. What you're calling a swimming pool was a revisor.
Yes, all of them were in there for being jewish. Children aren't communists. Not only that, but the National Socialists recruited Communists. That was what was wrong with Orwell's quote. The Nazis never came for the Trade Unionists, they recruited them.
The rail lines being damaged doesn't spread disease. The starvation was intentional, in the same way that Russians were given less food than the Americans. The food crisis itself came from the National Socialists own Socialist agriculture policies, which is why they were suffering famines in 1941.
German civilians were never intentionally starved after the war. Again, this is shit you know nothing about. Over 100,000 Germans were killed in reprisal killings by locals, including the Czech National Socialists. You really don't want to talk about reprisal killings because it indicts the your bullshit motivated reasoning for what it is. In almost every case, the holocaust was cited by the people committing the reprisals. One of the Czech tortures explicitly said that he had been sent to Auschwitz, survived, and would treat the German civilians worse than he was... which he did. American soldiers committed multiple reprisal killings in response to coming upon concentration camps. Mass killings of collaborators happened because of the treatment of locals.
Sorry idiot, but you being an ignorant jew hater doesn't mean that anyone else has to be.
So faked the the US infantrymen committed reprisal killings for the shit they saw? So faked that those same US infantrymen had to be stopped from feeding prisoners because giving them lots of solid food tended to kill them because the starvation was so extreme. So faked the US military may have accidentally killed up to 20,000 people from feeding them? So faked they forced German civilians to dig up mass graves with their bare hands? So faked the military spent years documenting the camps hand moving corpses with bulldozers?
You see! This is the shit I'm fucking talking about. You literally don't know anything about the holocaust if you think the "mass graves" weren't examined.
ALL OF THE MASS GRAVES WERE EXAMINED AT EVERY CAMP.
The Allies literally dug up mass graves and re-buried them in 3-D blocks, sometimes stacking one block on top of another, to count the number of dead. The whole the thing was video recorded and portions of it were played at the Nuremburg Trail to the fucking defendants. The US Army was criticized for forcing German civilians to participate in the exhumations. Again, there is video tape of this. The process went on for years.
Allow me to present to you Night And Fog. A French film documenting the clean-up efforts with original footage.
Not to mention the level of stupidity you have to have to just throw "mass graves" out there like the whole of Europe wasn't fucking littered with mass graves in every fucking country on continental Europe, particularly the East. Every single Eastern European Country has dozens of mass grave sites that you can publicly visit relating to the holocaust.
In some cases, they're still finding some!
This is utter ignorance of holocaust deniers. You don't care about reality. There is limitless evidence, you just don't want to agree that it exists (even though you'd participate and you think it's a good thing).
I’m curious about your thoughts on the fact that Roosevelt, de gaulle and churchhill wrote memoirs after the war. Thousands of pages and not a single reference to the holocaust. None of them even thought it was something worthy of mention at the time. The whole narrative didn’t really form for a decade or two after the war
How much did they write about the the atrocities committed against the Dutch, the Greeks, or the Romanians? Well, then it must never have happened. Churchill didn't write about the mass starvation of the Greeks, therefore it didn't happen. Roosevelt certainly didn't write about the US massacre of soldiers in Sicily, so that didn't happen either. Or, they were politicians writing books and were focusing things that would best fit on their preferred narrative. This is as opposed to the German generals who tended to claim, "bro, I totally didn't have any part in that I swear", rather than "what killings, we were good boys who didn't do nuffin".
This assumes that it's even true that they wrote nothing about the Holocaust. Roosevelt was dead before the war ended, and it's debatable what level of information he had about it, or if he believed it. The fact that you're asking me what Roosevelt thought about the Holocaust, is a representation of the level of ignorance I was just talking about.
Meanwhile, the US military set-up specialized units to deal with concentration camps because American soldiers were committing reprisal killings once they saw the conditions of the concentration camps; and surrendering Nazi units were cutting deals with the Americans to either hide what the camps were, or to claim that they weren't affiliated with them, as they surrendered, so they weren't put up on war-crimes charges. The Night & Fog video comes from the work just after the war: 1946, 47 and so on. That's not decades later.
With all this “factual evidence” why even bother arguing about it online? You said it yourself, the evidence speaks for itself right? Got something to prove?
Wow, what an absolute fucking retard you are, then.
It's too bad a gorilla convinced you to be wrong about the holocaust and not any actual evidence, or mass graves, or documents, or admissions, or literally anything else.
I don't know how many people were killed in the Holocaust, but it was too many (not just Jews), and nobody should be exterminated by their government.
But I believe the official numbers about as much as I believe any other official numbers that are not allowed to be questioned or discussed. (crime rates, global warming data, IQ differences, etc)
And if you insist that I have to either say "it was 6 million" or that it makes me a bad person, well then, I guess I'm a bad person or whatever you want to call me.
And if it's going to come to blows over a number that neither you nor I have any way of verifying, so be it. I'm not saying your stupid fucking number.
That's where I am too. There was certainly an absurdly large scale killing of some kind for undesirables (not just Jews) but the official numbers and how they reached them require far too much trust in people I'd never trust otherwise, and on any topic most people wouldn't either.
But even if the real number was bigger than claimed and it all happened as said, it wouldn't change the fact that people treating "accept the official narrative as sacrosanct or you are evil" is a dangerous platform to stand on and nobody of intellectual value should hold it.
Even more so, it shouldn't be treated as somehow impossible to both believe the Holocaust happened and that the Jews have been embellishing and exploiting it for further gain ever since. Yet for people like him, that's just not a position allowed.
A big "waaaaaait a second" moment for me was realizing that Israel as it currently stands exists because of WWII.
The numbers are allowed to be questioned you just have to not be an idiot about it. Comments like "it was to many", even if we want to exclude jews and include political prisoners and atrocities committed against slaves, is such an ignorant comment it shows you have no knowledge on the subject.
It's like saying, "so what if a few rich plantation owners starved" in response to the Holodomor. It's not even remotely connected to reality.
Most conspiracy theories have connections to reality, but the autist doesn't know how to put it together. Those are honest mistakes by people who don't know but are confused and skeptical. But with holocaust denial, it's only ever been motivated reasoning. You wouldn't believe any amount of evidence. You don't believe the admissions by the nazis. You don't believe the footage when you see it. It's not even just a conspiracy theory at that point, it's just motivated reasoning.
I shouldn't have to explain to someone that the entirety of the holocaust didn't take place only in Auschwitz, yet that's the level of motivated ignorance that I end up dealing with.
He said it was “too many”, you fucking moron
Thanks I corrected it in the the quote, you shit-eating fuck.
Anyways, the point remains: An insane lack of comprehension. The kind of comprehension a 5 year old might be able to take way from it. "Some people died on 9/11 and people were scared." Great, now about what actually happened...
It’s literally a crime to question the numbers in 19 countries.
Yeah, Gizortnik goes from being one of the more eloquent members of this group to a maniacal liar/mis-representer as soon as the holofrost or global warming are mentioned.
It's astonishing.
Spare me. They're including the US in their list of countries where you can't question numbers. In fact, they are claiming all countries on Earth on that list.
If the numbers can't be questioned, why have the numbers been consistently revised down from their original Soviet Estimates?
You don't care. It's just motivated reasoning. You literally don't know about the subject. You just want to participate if there's a next time.
Gosh Gizortnik, "Colonialism was an evil mistake" AND "The Jewish Holocaust is divine truth from Zion"
Any other mainstream positions you want to espouse? Perhaps "Phizer is above reproach" or "Money laundering through Ukraine is a moral good?"
Oh! Oh! How about: "MSNBC gives me all the facts I need"?
Colonialism isn't a mistake. It's bad policy. You're not helping anyone.
The Holocaust is real, and the level of abject denial you are demanding on living in is a personal failure.
It is your position that Pfizer can do know wrong because no amount of Pfizer's own evidence can convince you. By the way, you might want to check out where Pfizer comes from and who they worked with.
Gizortnik, we wound up on this channel because everyone from every media source lied to us. I don't know about you, but I wanted to know the actual truth, and it started with challenging the sources of information and verifying what could be verified.
The more I did that, the more of my worldview fell down around my shoulders. My relentless search for truth has lead me to some very uncomfortable places and shown me that I was wrong about almost everything.
Watching you toe the party line on their major points, like "colonialism BAD" is both sad and infuriating.
Watching you come right out of the gates by insulting the shit out of everyone who disagrees with you has been even sadder.
I have known that Phizer were lying from very close to the start, partly because I've studied pharmacology, design and analysis of biological studies, and statistics.
During the pandemic, I grew very, very wary of "facts that may not be challenged"
And here you are with the number of 6 million and a bad attitude.
Applying Game Theory to the pandemic bullshit worked pretty well. How about we apply exactly the same Game Theory to your number?
I never denied the Jewish holocaust, but the harder you argue that the facts are not to be challenged, the more I start to doubt that facts are as they have been presented.
Colonialism is bad on principle. It's, at best, a wasted effort trying to "civilize" people who don't want it. At it's worst, it a tyranny that only exists to perpetuate tyranny. The old empires fell because the profit of maintaining an empire simply pays for the cost of maintaining it. That's not even a mainstream position.
I will never get tired of shitting on Holocaut Deniers. I'll say this again for the umpteenth time. This is not a conspiracy theory. I can respect conspiracy theorists most of the time. Normally they are autistic about minutia that they are generally ignorant about the implications of. "Why didn't the bullet do this?" "Why wasn't the security guard here?" "How come this guy didn't know that?" Holocaust Denial is motivated reasoning and nothing else. The less people know about the Holocaust, the more they scream that it didn't happen. The HD'ers are the Useful Idiots of the activists class who know it happened and are fucking proud of what they did.
Socialists pull this shit all the time. Nobody died in the Cuban Revolution, or in the Cultural Revolution, or in the Holodomor, or on October 7th. They do it 100% of the time because they need Useful Idiots to just deny the facts on it's face, because the activist class are the ones saying "we only killed colonialists", "we had to destroy the old capitalist ways", "the Kulaks were exploiting people", and "there are no civilians in Israel." It's just a move from "it's not happening" to "it's happening and it's a good thing".
I never argued the facts not be challenged. I said, you don't even have facts to argue from. It's a big difference. You're not debating anything, you're asserting the moved goal post of someone else's narrative.
swimming pools, movie theaters, MATERNITY WARDS
~270k mostly from disease and starvation because the allies destroyed the rail lines. And most of them weren't in there for being jewish, they were in there for being commies. Just that the overlap was close to universal.
How many german civilians were intentionally starved after the war was over under the "allies" watch? Why don't we have a museum in every state for that?
You lost, the dam has broken, the boomers are dying off and your narrative is dying with them.
All of these are wrong and misnomer. I was told that Dachau had a "Zoo" which was a 12' x 12' building. What you're calling a swimming pool was a revisor.
Yes, all of them were in there for being jewish. Children aren't communists. Not only that, but the National Socialists recruited Communists. That was what was wrong with Orwell's quote. The Nazis never came for the Trade Unionists, they recruited them.
The rail lines being damaged doesn't spread disease. The starvation was intentional, in the same way that Russians were given less food than the Americans. The food crisis itself came from the National Socialists own Socialist agriculture policies, which is why they were suffering famines in 1941.
German civilians were never intentionally starved after the war. Again, this is shit you know nothing about. Over 100,000 Germans were killed in reprisal killings by locals, including the Czech National Socialists. You really don't want to talk about reprisal killings because it indicts the your bullshit motivated reasoning for what it is. In almost every case, the holocaust was cited by the people committing the reprisals. One of the Czech tortures explicitly said that he had been sent to Auschwitz, survived, and would treat the German civilians worse than he was... which he did. American soldiers committed multiple reprisal killings in response to coming upon concentration camps. Mass killings of collaborators happened because of the treatment of locals.
Sorry idiot, but you being an ignorant jew hater doesn't mean that anyone else has to be.
Yeah, because all of those pieces of “actual evidence” could never possibly be faked right?
So faked the the US infantrymen committed reprisal killings for the shit they saw? So faked that those same US infantrymen had to be stopped from feeding prisoners because giving them lots of solid food tended to kill them because the starvation was so extreme. So faked the US military may have accidentally killed up to 20,000 people from feeding them? So faked they forced German civilians to dig up mass graves with their bare hands? So faked the military spent years documenting the camps hand moving corpses with bulldozers?
You see! This is the shit I'm fucking talking about. You literally don't know anything about the holocaust if you think the "mass graves" weren't examined.
ALL OF THE MASS GRAVES WERE EXAMINED AT EVERY CAMP.
The Allies literally dug up mass graves and re-buried them in 3-D blocks, sometimes stacking one block on top of another, to count the number of dead. The whole the thing was video recorded and portions of it were played at the Nuremburg Trail to the fucking defendants. The US Army was criticized for forcing German civilians to participate in the exhumations. Again, there is video tape of this. The process went on for years.
Allow me to present to you Night And Fog. A French film documenting the clean-up efforts with original footage.
Not to mention the level of stupidity you have to have to just throw "mass graves" out there like the whole of Europe wasn't fucking littered with mass graves in every fucking country on continental Europe, particularly the East. Every single Eastern European Country has dozens of mass grave sites that you can publicly visit relating to the holocaust.
In some cases, they're still finding some!
This is utter ignorance of holocaust deniers. You don't care about reality. There is limitless evidence, you just don't want to agree that it exists (even though you'd participate and you think it's a good thing).
I’m curious about your thoughts on the fact that Roosevelt, de gaulle and churchhill wrote memoirs after the war. Thousands of pages and not a single reference to the holocaust. None of them even thought it was something worthy of mention at the time. The whole narrative didn’t really form for a decade or two after the war
How much did they write about the the atrocities committed against the Dutch, the Greeks, or the Romanians? Well, then it must never have happened. Churchill didn't write about the mass starvation of the Greeks, therefore it didn't happen. Roosevelt certainly didn't write about the US massacre of soldiers in Sicily, so that didn't happen either. Or, they were politicians writing books and were focusing things that would best fit on their preferred narrative. This is as opposed to the German generals who tended to claim, "bro, I totally didn't have any part in that I swear", rather than "what killings, we were good boys who didn't do nuffin".
This assumes that it's even true that they wrote nothing about the Holocaust. Roosevelt was dead before the war ended, and it's debatable what level of information he had about it, or if he believed it. The fact that you're asking me what Roosevelt thought about the Holocaust, is a representation of the level of ignorance I was just talking about.
Meanwhile, the US military set-up specialized units to deal with concentration camps because American soldiers were committing reprisal killings once they saw the conditions of the concentration camps; and surrendering Nazi units were cutting deals with the Americans to either hide what the camps were, or to claim that they weren't affiliated with them, as they surrendered, so they weren't put up on war-crimes charges. The Night & Fog video comes from the work just after the war: 1946, 47 and so on. That's not decades later.
With all this “factual evidence” why even bother arguing about it online? You said it yourself, the evidence speaks for itself right? Got something to prove?
I have a moral obligation to publicly condemn stupidity, particularly if that stupidity is willful stupidity dedicated to mass murder.
Stop lying, Adolf.
Stop denying something you endorse and support.