I don't know how many people were killed in the Holocaust, but it was too many (not just Jews), and nobody should be exterminated by their government.
But I believe the official numbers about as much as I believe any other official numbers that are not allowed to be questioned or discussed. (crime rates, global warming data, IQ differences, etc)
And if you insist that I have to either say "it was 6 million" or that it makes me a bad person, well then, I guess I'm a bad person or whatever you want to call me.
And if it's going to come to blows over a number that neither you nor I have any way of verifying, so be it. I'm not saying your stupid fucking number.
That's where I am too. There was certainly an absurdly large scale killing of some kind for undesirables (not just Jews) but the official numbers and how they reached them require far too much trust in people I'd never trust otherwise, and on any topic most people wouldn't either.
But even if the real number was bigger than claimed and it all happened as said, it wouldn't change the fact that people treating "accept the official narrative as sacrosanct or you are evil" is a dangerous platform to stand on and nobody of intellectual value should hold it.
Even more so, it shouldn't be treated as somehow impossible to both believe the Holocaust happened and that the Jews have been embellishing and exploiting it for further gain ever since. Yet for people like him, that's just not a position allowed.
The numbers are allowed to be questioned you just have to not be an idiot about it. Comments like "it was to many", even if we want to exclude jews and include political prisoners and atrocities committed against slaves, is such an ignorant comment it shows you have no knowledge on the subject.
It's like saying, "so what if a few rich plantation owners starved" in response to the Holodomor. It's not even remotely connected to reality.
Most conspiracy theories have connections to reality, but the autist doesn't know how to put it together. Those are honest mistakes by people who don't know but are confused and skeptical. But with holocaust denial, it's only ever been motivated reasoning. You wouldn't believe any amount of evidence. You don't believe the admissions by the nazis. You don't believe the footage when you see it. It's not even just a conspiracy theory at that point, it's just motivated reasoning.
I shouldn't have to explain to someone that the entirety of the holocaust didn't take place only in Auschwitz, yet that's the level of motivated ignorance that I end up dealing with.
Thanks I corrected it in the the quote, you shit-eating fuck.
Anyways, the point remains: An insane lack of comprehension. The kind of comprehension a 5 year old might be able to take way from it. "Some people died on 9/11 and people were scared." Great, now about what actually happened...
Yeah, Gizortnik goes from being one of the more eloquent members of this group to a maniacal liar/mis-representer as soon as the holofrost or global warming are mentioned.
Spare me. They're including the US in their list of countries where you can't question numbers. In fact, they are claiming all countries on Earth on that list.
Who is “they”? the fact is that you can’t question the numbers in basically all western countries save a few. And if we didn’t have freedom of speech it would be illegal here as well.
You said it can be questioned and it can’t, you’re wrong about that.
Imagine if I told you I made a new pretty mean steak once and if you ever even thought about telling anyone my steak was “just ok” or “wasn’t that good” I’d toss your ass in jail, ruin you financially, and threaten anyone else who doesn’t believe I made a good steak. Kinda seems like I didn’t make a good steak huh?
I don't know how many people were killed in the Holocaust, but it was too many (not just Jews), and nobody should be exterminated by their government.
But I believe the official numbers about as much as I believe any other official numbers that are not allowed to be questioned or discussed. (crime rates, global warming data, IQ differences, etc)
And if you insist that I have to either say "it was 6 million" or that it makes me a bad person, well then, I guess I'm a bad person or whatever you want to call me.
And if it's going to come to blows over a number that neither you nor I have any way of verifying, so be it. I'm not saying your stupid fucking number.
That's where I am too. There was certainly an absurdly large scale killing of some kind for undesirables (not just Jews) but the official numbers and how they reached them require far too much trust in people I'd never trust otherwise, and on any topic most people wouldn't either.
But even if the real number was bigger than claimed and it all happened as said, it wouldn't change the fact that people treating "accept the official narrative as sacrosanct or you are evil" is a dangerous platform to stand on and nobody of intellectual value should hold it.
Even more so, it shouldn't be treated as somehow impossible to both believe the Holocaust happened and that the Jews have been embellishing and exploiting it for further gain ever since. Yet for people like him, that's just not a position allowed.
A big "waaaaaait a second" moment for me was realizing that Israel as it currently stands exists because of WWII.
The numbers are allowed to be questioned you just have to not be an idiot about it. Comments like "it was to many", even if we want to exclude jews and include political prisoners and atrocities committed against slaves, is such an ignorant comment it shows you have no knowledge on the subject.
It's like saying, "so what if a few rich plantation owners starved" in response to the Holodomor. It's not even remotely connected to reality.
Most conspiracy theories have connections to reality, but the autist doesn't know how to put it together. Those are honest mistakes by people who don't know but are confused and skeptical. But with holocaust denial, it's only ever been motivated reasoning. You wouldn't believe any amount of evidence. You don't believe the admissions by the nazis. You don't believe the footage when you see it. It's not even just a conspiracy theory at that point, it's just motivated reasoning.
I shouldn't have to explain to someone that the entirety of the holocaust didn't take place only in Auschwitz, yet that's the level of motivated ignorance that I end up dealing with.
He said it was “too many”, you fucking moron
Thanks I corrected it in the the quote, you shit-eating fuck.
Anyways, the point remains: An insane lack of comprehension. The kind of comprehension a 5 year old might be able to take way from it. "Some people died on 9/11 and people were scared." Great, now about what actually happened...
That’s funny, because my 5 year old LOVES to deflect questions almost as much as you do.
Well now it kind of sounds like your complaint is that it wasn’t enough….
It’s literally a crime to question the numbers in 19 countries.
Yeah, Gizortnik goes from being one of the more eloquent members of this group to a maniacal liar/mis-representer as soon as the holofrost or global warming are mentioned.
It's astonishing.
Spare me. They're including the US in their list of countries where you can't question numbers. In fact, they are claiming all countries on Earth on that list.
Who is “they”? the fact is that you can’t question the numbers in basically all western countries save a few. And if we didn’t have freedom of speech it would be illegal here as well.
You said it can be questioned and it can’t, you’re wrong about that.
If the numbers can't be questioned, why have the numbers been consistently revised down from their original Soviet Estimates?
You don't care. It's just motivated reasoning. You literally don't know about the subject. You just want to participate if there's a next time.
Imagine if I told you I made a new pretty mean steak once and if you ever even thought about telling anyone my steak was “just ok” or “wasn’t that good” I’d toss your ass in jail, ruin you financially, and threaten anyone else who doesn’t believe I made a good steak. Kinda seems like I didn’t make a good steak huh?