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Woman who was shown on ESPN eating ice cream, is whining about being sexualized (archive.ph)
posted 1 year ago by Mpetey123 1 year ago by Mpetey123 +29 / -0
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– Mpetey123 [S] 8 points 1 year ago +8 / -0

I disagree that CCTV everywhere Europe expects more privacy than an average American.

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– Assassin47 13 points 1 year ago +13 / -0

They don't care about privacy as long as the government is the one doing the spying.

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– AntonioOfVenice 7 points 1 year ago +7 / -0

It's worse in some places (e.g. the UK) than others, but good point.

Still, the CCTV isn't being broadcast everywhere. It's just for our safety, just like illegal spying and all the other pleasant things the rulers do.

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– AccountWasFree 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

Still, the CCTV isn't being broadcast everywhere

But if you walk into a space where it's explicitly a known possibility, whose fault is it when it inevitably happens? Stop trying to erode personal responsibility. Or are we going to continue down the path of infantilization where we insist people, especially women, don't actually have agency?

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– AntonioOfVenice 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

But if you walk into a space where it's explicitly a known possibility, whose fault is it when it inevitably happens?

'Possible' is not the same as 'inevitable'. Hell, how often does it happen that the camera zooms in on two specific people for 20 seconds? It's a vanishingly small possibility, if that, so yeah, it's the fault of the people who did this.

Stop trying to erode personal responsibility

Wow, that is a new definition of 'personal responsibility', that people have the right to film and broadcast you to the world, and that you can't even say anything about it.

Or are we going to continue down the path of infantilization where we insist people, especially women, don't actually have agency?

I'll go down the path of saying that this, and your 'Kiss Cams' for that matter, are remarkably stupid and should not even be allowed.

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– AccountWasFree 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

'Possible' is not the same as 'inevitable'

It is inevitable that it will happen to someone. Just because there's a chance it will happen to someone else doesn't make it merely possible, only that it's possible for you personally to be effected. But also, being exposed to that environment over and over and over only leads to an eventual inevitability. And let's not be delusional, with the increase in mobile phones and other such systems, that possibility is ALWAYS present.

Wow, that is a new definition of 'personal responsibility', that people have the right to film and broadcast you to the world, and that you can't even say anything about it.

Fuck off with the disingenuity of this. If you enter a space with a known risk, that's YOUR fault. Plain and simple. THAT is personal responsibility.

I'll go down the path of saying that this, and your 'Kiss Cams' for that matter, are remarkably stupid

That's fine. I think they're stupid too. But they're a normal aspect of those environments. You put yourself in that environment, you're the one running the risk of being on camera. It's legitimately on you. It's weird that you want to avoid personal responsibility. Don't want to be recorded? Don't go into environments that have a high likelihood of being recorded. It's that simple.

and should not even be allowed.

Ah yes, the good ol' "I don't like this so it should be eliminated" plea. Tell me you're a European without telling me you're a European.

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