But if you walk into a space where it's explicitly a known possibility, whose fault is it when it inevitably happens? Stop trying to erode personal responsibility. Or are we going to continue down the path of infantilization where we insist people, especially women, don't actually have agency?
But if you walk into a space where it's explicitly a known possibility, whose fault is it when it inevitably happens?
'Possible' is not the same as 'inevitable'. Hell, how often does it happen that the camera zooms in on two specific people for 20 seconds? It's a vanishingly small possibility, if that, so yeah, it's the fault of the people who did this.
Stop trying to erode personal responsibility
Wow, that is a new definition of 'personal responsibility', that people have the right to film and broadcast you to the world, and that you can't even say anything about it.
Or are we going to continue down the path of infantilization where we insist people, especially women, don't actually have agency?
I'll go down the path of saying that this, and your 'Kiss Cams' for that matter, are remarkably stupid and should not even be allowed.
It is inevitable that it will happen to someone. Just because there's a chance it will happen to someone else doesn't make it merely possible, only that it's possible for you personally to be effected. But also, being exposed to that environment over and over and over only leads to an eventual inevitability. And let's not be delusional, with the increase in mobile phones and other such systems, that possibility is ALWAYS present.
Wow, that is a new definition of 'personal responsibility', that people have the right to film and broadcast you to the world, and that you can't even say anything about it.
Fuck off with the disingenuity of this. If you enter a space with a known risk, that's YOUR fault. Plain and simple. THAT is personal responsibility.
I'll go down the path of saying that this, and your 'Kiss Cams' for that matter, are remarkably stupid
That's fine. I think they're stupid too. But they're a normal aspect of those environments. You put yourself in that environment, you're the one running the risk of being on camera. It's legitimately on you. It's weird that you want to avoid personal responsibility. Don't want to be recorded? Don't go into environments that have a high likelihood of being recorded. It's that simple.
and should not even be allowed.
Ah yes, the good ol' "I don't like this so it should be eliminated" plea. Tell me you're a European without telling me you're a European.
But also, being exposed to that environment over and over and over only leads to an eventual inevitability.
You have no idea whether these people decided to go to an environment 'over and over'. So not inevitable.
Fuck off with the disingenuity of this. If you enter a space with a known risk, that's YOUR fault. Plain and simple. THAT is personal responsibility.
If you had thought this true, you'd realize that even you don't believe this.
Don't want to be recorded? Don't go into environments that have a high likelihood of being recorded. It's that simple.
OK, so because total idiots decide to do this, it's the fault of the people to whom it happens, because "they go into [such] environments", and anyone who says that maybe then those total idiots should be restrained is a Bad European.
Ah yes, the good ol' "I don't like this so it should be eliminated" plea. Tell me you're a European without telling me you're a European.
Well, you claimed, falsely, that it's the fault of the victims of this because it's "inevitable". Here's making it not inevitable.
You have no idea whether these people decided to go to an environment 'over and over'. So not inevitable.
I wasn't suggesting they did, but explaining how risk and statistical analysis works for both a group and an individual. Seems I went a little fast for your understanding since you're looking to win an internet slap fight rather than discuss.
If you had thought this true, you'd realize that even you don't believe this.
Interesting that you know my beliefs better than me. But no, I do believe that people are responsible for their own safety and that, yes, that includes some aspect of their privacy, especially in spaces open to the public.
OK, so because total idiots decide to do this, it's the fault of the people to whom it happens, because "they go into [such] environments", and anyone who says that maybe then those total idiots should be restrained is a Bad European.
This started out alright, but you lost coherency about 2/3rds of the way through. Wanna try again, because I legitimately lost what point you're trying to make here and would like to at least try to understand.
you claimed, falsely, that it's the fault of the victims of this because it's "inevitable"
""""""Victims""""""". Fuck that's hilarious. You really think they're victims. Here's the "incident" by the way. Now I know that a fair chunk of Europeans are now Muslims and cannot control themselves, but please Tony, control your raging lust when watching this because it's just too sexual in nature!
Oh wait. No it isn't. It's just two chicks eating ice-cream, having a good time at a sporting event. That's it.
They're not victims. Stop giving weight to the currency of victimhood. Grow the fuck up.
But if you walk into a space where it's explicitly a known possibility, whose fault is it when it inevitably happens? Stop trying to erode personal responsibility. Or are we going to continue down the path of infantilization where we insist people, especially women, don't actually have agency?
'Possible' is not the same as 'inevitable'. Hell, how often does it happen that the camera zooms in on two specific people for 20 seconds? It's a vanishingly small possibility, if that, so yeah, it's the fault of the people who did this.
Wow, that is a new definition of 'personal responsibility', that people have the right to film and broadcast you to the world, and that you can't even say anything about it.
I'll go down the path of saying that this, and your 'Kiss Cams' for that matter, are remarkably stupid and should not even be allowed.
It is inevitable that it will happen to someone. Just because there's a chance it will happen to someone else doesn't make it merely possible, only that it's possible for you personally to be effected. But also, being exposed to that environment over and over and over only leads to an eventual inevitability. And let's not be delusional, with the increase in mobile phones and other such systems, that possibility is ALWAYS present.
Fuck off with the disingenuity of this. If you enter a space with a known risk, that's YOUR fault. Plain and simple. THAT is personal responsibility.
That's fine. I think they're stupid too. But they're a normal aspect of those environments. You put yourself in that environment, you're the one running the risk of being on camera. It's legitimately on you. It's weird that you want to avoid personal responsibility. Don't want to be recorded? Don't go into environments that have a high likelihood of being recorded. It's that simple.
Ah yes, the good ol' "I don't like this so it should be eliminated" plea. Tell me you're a European without telling me you're a European.
You have no idea whether these people decided to go to an environment 'over and over'. So not inevitable.
If you had thought this true, you'd realize that even you don't believe this.
OK, so because total idiots decide to do this, it's the fault of the people to whom it happens, because "they go into [such] environments", and anyone who says that maybe then those total idiots should be restrained is a Bad European.
Well, you claimed, falsely, that it's the fault of the victims of this because it's "inevitable". Here's making it not inevitable.
I wasn't suggesting they did, but explaining how risk and statistical analysis works for both a group and an individual. Seems I went a little fast for your understanding since you're looking to win an internet slap fight rather than discuss.
Interesting that you know my beliefs better than me. But no, I do believe that people are responsible for their own safety and that, yes, that includes some aspect of their privacy, especially in spaces open to the public.
This started out alright, but you lost coherency about 2/3rds of the way through. Wanna try again, because I legitimately lost what point you're trying to make here and would like to at least try to understand.
""""""Victims""""""". Fuck that's hilarious. You really think they're victims. Here's the "incident" by the way. Now I know that a fair chunk of Europeans are now Muslims and cannot control themselves, but please Tony, control your raging lust when watching this because it's just too sexual in nature!
Oh wait. No it isn't. It's just two chicks eating ice-cream, having a good time at a sporting event. That's it.
They're not victims. Stop giving weight to the currency of victimhood. Grow the fuck up.