But also, being exposed to that environment over and over and over only leads to an eventual inevitability.
You have no idea whether these people decided to go to an environment 'over and over'. So not inevitable.
Fuck off with the disingenuity of this. If you enter a space with a known risk, that's YOUR fault. Plain and simple. THAT is personal responsibility.
If you had thought this true, you'd realize that even you don't believe this.
Don't want to be recorded? Don't go into environments that have a high likelihood of being recorded. It's that simple.
OK, so because total idiots decide to do this, it's the fault of the people to whom it happens, because "they go into [such] environments", and anyone who says that maybe then those total idiots should be restrained is a Bad European.
Ah yes, the good ol' "I don't like this so it should be eliminated" plea. Tell me you're a European without telling me you're a European.
Well, you claimed, falsely, that it's the fault of the victims of this because it's "inevitable". Here's making it not inevitable.
You have no idea whether these people decided to go to an environment 'over and over'. So not inevitable.
I wasn't suggesting they did, but explaining how risk and statistical analysis works for both a group and an individual. Seems I went a little fast for your understanding since you're looking to win an internet slap fight rather than discuss.
If you had thought this true, you'd realize that even you don't believe this.
Interesting that you know my beliefs better than me. But no, I do believe that people are responsible for their own safety and that, yes, that includes some aspect of their privacy, especially in spaces open to the public.
OK, so because total idiots decide to do this, it's the fault of the people to whom it happens, because "they go into [such] environments", and anyone who says that maybe then those total idiots should be restrained is a Bad European.
This started out alright, but you lost coherency about 2/3rds of the way through. Wanna try again, because I legitimately lost what point you're trying to make here and would like to at least try to understand.
you claimed, falsely, that it's the fault of the victims of this because it's "inevitable"
""""""Victims""""""". Fuck that's hilarious. You really think they're victims. Here's the "incident" by the way. Now I know that a fair chunk of Europeans are now Muslims and cannot control themselves, but please Tony, control your raging lust when watching this because it's just too sexual in nature!
Oh wait. No it isn't. It's just two chicks eating ice-cream, having a good time at a sporting event. That's it.
They're not victims. Stop giving weight to the currency of victimhood. Grow the fuck up.
since you're looking to win an internet slap fight rather than discuss.
I'm just voicing my opinion that it's pretty gross and repulsive to focus the camera on two girls for 20 seconds. You then started shouting about "personal responsibility", I mean, what?
Interesting that you know my beliefs better than me. But no, I do believe that people are responsible for their own safety
I gave you the benefit of the doubt that you don't believe in abject absurdities, but perhaps I was a bit too generous. Apparently, you think that someone parking in San Francisco is too blame if his car gets smashed by a junkie, and not the junkie. Extend that logic and you blame a rape victim and not the rapist, etc.
This started out alright, but you lost coherency about 2/3rds of the way through. Wanna try again, because I legitimately lost what point you're trying to make here and would like to at least try to understand.
It looks fine to me, but the customer's always right.
You claim these victims are to blame because some creep pointing a camera at them for 20 seconds is 'to be expected' (accepted arguendo). So if it is, how could you change that? By restraining people from doing something like this. But when I argued that, you called me a Bad European.
""""""Victims""""""". Fuck that's hilarious. You really think they're victims. Here's the "incident" by the way. Now I know that a fair chunk of Europeans are now Muslims and cannot control themselves, but please Tony, control your raging lust when watching this because it's just too sexual in nature!
In my very first comment, I said that I don't endorse the sexist/sexualized nonsense. I think it's in very bad taste regardless.
Oh wait. No it isn't. It's just two chicks eating ice-cream, having a good time at a sporting event. That's it.
Apparently not, cause some jackass filmed them for 20 secs.
Extend that logic and you blame a rape victim and not the rapist, etc.
That's right. A camera in a public space is equivalent to raping a person. Whew lad, that's some top tier intellectualism and definitely not an appeal to emotion. Tell me, are you weeping for all the men that have been filmed over the many, many years? Or is that different? You're being a fucking loser here. It's a known aspect of sports games. End of. They went knowing this is A Thing, and then bitched because that Thing happened. It wasn't a random act of violence. They're not victims. It's not a tragedy. You're unironically being incredibly sensitive here over the most innocuous shit ever.
Apparently not, cause some jackass filmed them for 20 secs.
This just in: The only reason to film a person for 20 seconds is for sexual reasons.
A camera in a public space is equivalent to raping a person
It isn't, what do you think 'extend that logic' means?
If you think a victim of any given event is to blame for placing himself in that situation, why should that not apply to rape as well?
Tell me, are you weeping for all the men that have been filmed over the many, many years? Or is that different?
I don't think people should be filmed, period, not individually, and preferably not even as a crowd. They're going out there to enjoy a game, not to be filmed by money-grubbing corps.
You're being a fucking loser here
Only here?
This just in: The only reason to film a person for 20 seconds is for sexual reasons.
........I already said a couple of times that for me, this isn't about the 'sexism/sexualization' blathering.
You have no idea whether these people decided to go to an environment 'over and over'. So not inevitable.
If you had thought this true, you'd realize that even you don't believe this.
OK, so because total idiots decide to do this, it's the fault of the people to whom it happens, because "they go into [such] environments", and anyone who says that maybe then those total idiots should be restrained is a Bad European.
Well, you claimed, falsely, that it's the fault of the victims of this because it's "inevitable". Here's making it not inevitable.
I wasn't suggesting they did, but explaining how risk and statistical analysis works for both a group and an individual. Seems I went a little fast for your understanding since you're looking to win an internet slap fight rather than discuss.
Interesting that you know my beliefs better than me. But no, I do believe that people are responsible for their own safety and that, yes, that includes some aspect of their privacy, especially in spaces open to the public.
This started out alright, but you lost coherency about 2/3rds of the way through. Wanna try again, because I legitimately lost what point you're trying to make here and would like to at least try to understand.
""""""Victims""""""". Fuck that's hilarious. You really think they're victims. Here's the "incident" by the way. Now I know that a fair chunk of Europeans are now Muslims and cannot control themselves, but please Tony, control your raging lust when watching this because it's just too sexual in nature!
Oh wait. No it isn't. It's just two chicks eating ice-cream, having a good time at a sporting event. That's it.
They're not victims. Stop giving weight to the currency of victimhood. Grow the fuck up.
You're a fast one.
I'm just voicing my opinion that it's pretty gross and repulsive to focus the camera on two girls for 20 seconds. You then started shouting about "personal responsibility", I mean, what?
I gave you the benefit of the doubt that you don't believe in abject absurdities, but perhaps I was a bit too generous. Apparently, you think that someone parking in San Francisco is too blame if his car gets smashed by a junkie, and not the junkie. Extend that logic and you blame a rape victim and not the rapist, etc.
It looks fine to me, but the customer's always right.
You claim these victims are to blame because some creep pointing a camera at them for 20 seconds is 'to be expected' (accepted arguendo). So if it is, how could you change that? By restraining people from doing something like this. But when I argued that, you called me a Bad European.
In my very first comment, I said that I don't endorse the sexist/sexualized nonsense. I think it's in very bad taste regardless.
Apparently not, cause some jackass filmed them for 20 secs.
That's right. A camera in a public space is equivalent to raping a person. Whew lad, that's some top tier intellectualism and definitely not an appeal to emotion. Tell me, are you weeping for all the men that have been filmed over the many, many years? Or is that different? You're being a fucking loser here. It's a known aspect of sports games. End of. They went knowing this is A Thing, and then bitched because that Thing happened. It wasn't a random act of violence. They're not victims. It's not a tragedy. You're unironically being incredibly sensitive here over the most innocuous shit ever.
This just in: The only reason to film a person for 20 seconds is for sexual reasons.
I swear, you're telling on yourself.
It isn't, what do you think 'extend that logic' means?
If you think a victim of any given event is to blame for placing himself in that situation, why should that not apply to rape as well?
I don't think people should be filmed, period, not individually, and preferably not even as a crowd. They're going out there to enjoy a game, not to be filmed by money-grubbing corps.
Only here?
........I already said a couple of times that for me, this isn't about the 'sexism/sexualization' blathering.