I made the point about "should've been done 60 years ago" in a hypothetical of if there is no God and all you desire is raw naked power. If you read it again in context, I'm saying that the left already made the choices to gain raw naked power a long time ago.
I say that shouldn't be the desire or goal of conservatives or moral people.
I'm using a hypothetical where even if there was no god, becoming the left to defeat the left is a losing battle anyways because they did what needs to be done FOR THAT GOAL, a goal that I do not think is a good goal, a long time ago. I'm saying even from an earthly standpoint, your options are become part of Babylon or resist it to the point of death.
Here's the goal I believe in.
"If we have food and covering, with these we shall be content."
"These are the ones who have not been defiled with women, for they have kept themselves chaste. These are the ones who follow the Lamb wherever He goes. These have been purchased from among men as first fruits to God and to the Lamb. And no lie was found in their mouth; they are blameless." Revelation 14
11 And they overcame [the antichrist] because of the blood of the Lamb and because of the word of their testimony, and they did not love their life even when faced with death.
Revelation 12
Those are the goals I believe in. That 60 years ago thing was saying if you want to have raw naked immoral power like the left, which is not something I recommend, then either join the left or build a time machine to somehow orchestrate the right getting that power.
"What does it profit a man to gain the whole world but forfeit his soul?"
That verse is why I said, even if there was a 100% guarantee of "winning" by those means, I would still choose "losing" because Christ has already overcome the world and you may gain some sort of temporal power that the left has, but at what cost? Do you really envy the left's power? I don't. The price they've paid for it is obvious. They are an embarrassment on every level. That's not a power I envy. If you have the power of Christ abiding in you, you have something far, far greater than all the governments in the world.
So let everyone else suffer endlessly because you want to just sit on your hands and let God fix everything for you. Its always amusing how you people, whose religion expressly prohibits suicide, just end up creating it with extra steps anyway. Because that's all you are advocating, pacifistic suicide for everyone so that you don't have to do anything.
That's far closer to cowardice than righteousness. Funny how the Bible verses people love to pull out always end up relieving them of having to do anything but sit back and not having to take action that might be hard or risky.
Its even more amusing because it reveals the pure selfishness and self-centeredness of their religious beliefs. That they put their own cleanliness of the soul above any morality or other person. Any action that might stain them is expressively forbidden, even if it means leaving all the innocents of the world to infinite suffering.
I'm sure Jesus is very proud of you. Afterall, he was king of never thinking of anyone but yourself and your reward.
you may gain some sort of temporal power that the left has
Funny how you ignored everything else I said except the one directly calling you out for your retarded 60 year comment and still stand on this Strawman of "there is literally no other option besides 200% full commitment to being like the Left or not doing anything at all."
I understand its all you have that let's you parrot verses, but you need to do better than that if you want to proselytize your pacifistic suicide to people.
You were agreeing with the guy who said "Censorship, violence, propaganda, they are all just tools. Use them when there is a correct target."
That's almost verbatim the leftist philosophy "there's no such thing as bad tactics, only bad targets".
The only reason I responded to you and not him is you put into words even more clearly the philosophy that underlines all this new way of thinking on the right. You said we do not live in a universe that is governed by any higher good. You used the term karmic, but we all know that it is the Christian God and the Bible that America by and large has adhered to through it's history, not some vague sense of karma.
I responded to you instead of him because you straight up said the point I've tried to make, that without God, then the leftist idea of "no bad tactics, only bad targets" becomes logical and anything other than that is foolish and "hinders us".
People need a biblical worldview. Because there is a God they need it for salvation, but even just to arrive at truth people need it.
Proverbs 4:19 says
The way of the wicked is like deep darkness;
they do not know over what they stumble.
In contrast, John says Jesus enlightens every man, and He is the light of the world and the light shines in the world and the darkness did not comprehend it.
Responding to someone doesn't equate agreement. I responded to him saying he was baffled by people's disagreement with explaining why they do.
I used "karmic" because its a human instinct that crosses all religions and is found even in people who don't subscribe to one. Whatever the source of that karma is was irrelevant to the point I was making of basic human beliefs, and that people will follow them into foolish black/white thinking. If its God or if its just some natural "energy" of the world itself doesn't change how people view or use it.
People need a biblical worldview.
People also need to live in the world. Jesus' enlightenment doesn't help someone currently getting murdered, but all you've provided is philosophy and words without any actual action to protect or help the innocent. You've got a lot of essays to write about why people should not do anything, but you've provided nothing they actually should do other than vague "believe in God, it'll sort itself out."
So if you want to proselytize, try making actual action plans of goals and things people can do to solve these problems through God's teachings, instead of just having all the verses memorized that let you not act.
Because otherwise it just looks like cowardice using the Bible as a shield.
I made the point about "should've been done 60 years ago" in a hypothetical of if there is no God and all you desire is raw naked power. If you read it again in context, I'm saying that the left already made the choices to gain raw naked power a long time ago.
I say that shouldn't be the desire or goal of conservatives or moral people.
I'm using a hypothetical where even if there was no god, becoming the left to defeat the left is a losing battle anyways because they did what needs to be done FOR THAT GOAL, a goal that I do not think is a good goal, a long time ago. I'm saying even from an earthly standpoint, your options are become part of Babylon or resist it to the point of death.
Here's the goal I believe in.
"If we have food and covering, with these we shall be content."
"These are the ones who have not been defiled with women, for they have kept themselves chaste. These are the ones who follow the Lamb wherever He goes. These have been purchased from among men as first fruits to God and to the Lamb. And no lie was found in their mouth; they are blameless." Revelation 14
11 And they overcame [the antichrist] because of the blood of the Lamb and because of the word of their testimony, and they did not love their life even when faced with death.
Revelation 12
Those are the goals I believe in. That 60 years ago thing was saying if you want to have raw naked immoral power like the left, which is not something I recommend, then either join the left or build a time machine to somehow orchestrate the right getting that power.
"What does it profit a man to gain the whole world but forfeit his soul?"
That verse is why I said, even if there was a 100% guarantee of "winning" by those means, I would still choose "losing" because Christ has already overcome the world and you may gain some sort of temporal power that the left has, but at what cost? Do you really envy the left's power? I don't. The price they've paid for it is obvious. They are an embarrassment on every level. That's not a power I envy. If you have the power of Christ abiding in you, you have something far, far greater than all the governments in the world.
So let everyone else suffer endlessly because you want to just sit on your hands and let God fix everything for you. Its always amusing how you people, whose religion expressly prohibits suicide, just end up creating it with extra steps anyway. Because that's all you are advocating, pacifistic suicide for everyone so that you don't have to do anything.
That's far closer to cowardice than righteousness. Funny how the Bible verses people love to pull out always end up relieving them of having to do anything but sit back and not having to take action that might be hard or risky.
Its even more amusing because it reveals the pure selfishness and self-centeredness of their religious beliefs. That they put their own cleanliness of the soul above any morality or other person. Any action that might stain them is expressively forbidden, even if it means leaving all the innocents of the world to infinite suffering.
I'm sure Jesus is very proud of you. Afterall, he was king of never thinking of anyone but yourself and your reward.
Funny how you ignored everything else I said except the one directly calling you out for your retarded 60 year comment and still stand on this Strawman of "there is literally no other option besides 200% full commitment to being like the Left or not doing anything at all."
I understand its all you have that let's you parrot verses, but you need to do better than that if you want to proselytize your pacifistic suicide to people.
You were agreeing with the guy who said "Censorship, violence, propaganda, they are all just tools. Use them when there is a correct target."
That's almost verbatim the leftist philosophy "there's no such thing as bad tactics, only bad targets".
The only reason I responded to you and not him is you put into words even more clearly the philosophy that underlines all this new way of thinking on the right. You said we do not live in a universe that is governed by any higher good. You used the term karmic, but we all know that it is the Christian God and the Bible that America by and large has adhered to through it's history, not some vague sense of karma.
I responded to you instead of him because you straight up said the point I've tried to make, that without God, then the leftist idea of "no bad tactics, only bad targets" becomes logical and anything other than that is foolish and "hinders us".
People need a biblical worldview. Because there is a God they need it for salvation, but even just to arrive at truth people need it.
Proverbs 4:19 says
The way of the wicked is like deep darkness; they do not know over what they stumble.
In contrast, John says Jesus enlightens every man, and He is the light of the world and the light shines in the world and the darkness did not comprehend it.
Responding to someone doesn't equate agreement. I responded to him saying he was baffled by people's disagreement with explaining why they do.
I used "karmic" because its a human instinct that crosses all religions and is found even in people who don't subscribe to one. Whatever the source of that karma is was irrelevant to the point I was making of basic human beliefs, and that people will follow them into foolish black/white thinking. If its God or if its just some natural "energy" of the world itself doesn't change how people view or use it.
People also need to live in the world. Jesus' enlightenment doesn't help someone currently getting murdered, but all you've provided is philosophy and words without any actual action to protect or help the innocent. You've got a lot of essays to write about why people should not do anything, but you've provided nothing they actually should do other than vague "believe in God, it'll sort itself out."
So if you want to proselytize, try making actual action plans of goals and things people can do to solve these problems through God's teachings, instead of just having all the verses memorized that let you not act.
Because otherwise it just looks like cowardice using the Bible as a shield.