It was a one-trick pony that didn't work. The one trick was getting people to think they'd see a realistic Civil War, but word go out that it wasn't that. People would have gone to see a political statement, though I don't know that it would've made it to theaters.
In a way, it reminds me of the jingoism of movies like Independence Day. The milquetoast cultural constant used to be "America, fuck yeah." Now it's "America, we're all screwed." Talking about our problems is a bridge too far, but you can try to bank on the general idea that we've got lots of them. That transition is something.
How as Independence Day jingoistic? It was people vs. aliens, and the USA gets its shit ruined just like the rest of the world.
The closest you could get to an "America, fuck yeah!" message is that the U.S. figures out how to destroy the motherships first. Somehow the rest of the world also successfully destroys them without advanced military hardware.
The President. The F-16s. The whole name "Independence Day." It was definitely a movie about the United States. Realistically, they just roped in the whole rest of the world in a montage at the end. That's how I felt it was played at the time. Zeitgeist or something? I'd have to even look when that came out.
If the story were X-COM, I'd agree with you about humans vs aliens. They should make a movie about that.
Agree with what you said, but to be correct, those are F-18s in the movie, not F-16s.
Except for the part where Will Smith makes his way back to his "Navy" base, and you can see an F-16 tail sticking out of the wreckage, with "LF" on it, indicating it is from Luke AFB.
Agree with what you said, but to be correct, those are F-18s in the movie, not F-16s.
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Except for the part where Will Smith makes his way back to his "Navy" base, and you can see an F-16 tail sticking out of the wreckage, with "LF" on it, indicating it is from Luke AFB.
Odd that they did that. I've been close to Luke and seen the F-16s :) And in Texas. It's probably why I generically refer to fighter jets as F-16s. Funny place for a Naval base, lol.
The closest you could get to an "America, fuck yeah!" message is that the U.S. figures out how to destroy the motherships first.
The movie was fun, but God I hated how it acted like we'd won all of a sudden. They didn't figure out shit. All the aliens had to do was what? Not let the humans fly stuff into their particle cannon weapon? Do a better job of vetting the ships returning to the hangers, and patch their software to fix that zero day exploit?
The stuff they did worked on that one ship. There is zero reason it should have worked on any of the others, unless the aliens were stupid as fuck.
It was a one-trick pony that didn't work. The one trick was getting people to think they'd see a realistic Civil War, but word go out that it wasn't that. People would have gone to see a political statement, though I don't know that it would've made it to theaters.
In a way, it reminds me of the jingoism of movies like Independence Day. The milquetoast cultural constant used to be "America, fuck yeah." Now it's "America, we're all screwed." Talking about our problems is a bridge too far, but you can try to bank on the general idea that we've got lots of them. That transition is something.
How as Independence Day jingoistic? It was people vs. aliens, and the USA gets its shit ruined just like the rest of the world.
The closest you could get to an "America, fuck yeah!" message is that the U.S. figures out how to destroy the motherships first. Somehow the rest of the world also successfully destroys them without advanced military hardware.
The President. The F-16s. The whole name "Independence Day." It was definitely a movie about the United States. Realistically, they just roped in the whole rest of the world in a montage at the end. That's how I felt it was played at the time. Zeitgeist or something? I'd have to even look when that came out.
If the story were X-COM, I'd agree with you about humans vs aliens. They should make a movie about that.
Agree with what you said, but to be correct, those are F-18s in the movie, not F-16s.
Except for the part where Will Smith makes his way back to his "Navy" base, and you can see an F-16 tail sticking out of the wreckage, with "LF" on it, indicating it is from Luke AFB.
That always bothered me for some reason.
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Odd that they did that. I've been close to Luke and seen the F-16s :) And in Texas. It's probably why I generically refer to fighter jets as F-16s. Funny place for a Naval base, lol.
The message of Independence Day was "WELCOME TO ERF!"
Independence Day glorified the military like Transformers did. I'm not really complaining.
The movie was fun, but God I hated how it acted like we'd won all of a sudden. They didn't figure out shit. All the aliens had to do was what? Not let the humans fly stuff into their particle cannon weapon? Do a better job of vetting the ships returning to the hangers, and patch their software to fix that zero day exploit?
The stuff they did worked on that one ship. There is zero reason it should have worked on any of the others, unless the aliens were stupid as fuck.