Not to sound like a 'destroy the looms' Luddite, but automation does pose some severe problems. I'll laugh at their shit falling apart for now, but it's also probably only a matter of time until they do actually replace a lot of workers with AI or similar. Which is doubly problematic when some of the remaining jobs are staffed with illegals.
I wish we could go back to the good ol' days where actual Americans would do essentially 100% of the jobs in America.
Considering they've shown time and again they hate us, the push for automation will only lead to dystopic "own nothing and be happy" slavery from our betters, and not some utopia.
Americans worshipping the dollar more than anything - their religion, their country, their culture - was only ever going to end one way, and we're there now. You can't have "muh free markets muh capitalism" and also prioritize employing Americans, because someone somewhere might make more shekelbucks than you by not hiring Americans, and you gotta 'win' capitalism at all costs, right? So fire all the Americans and import slaves. Don't worry bro, the GDP is up so like, that definitely means something to someone.
We could at least give it a try, though. It would still be vastly better than our current bastardization wearing a very badly done capitalism skinsuit.
America is pretty much a socialist country trying to hide behind capitalism. Except we socialize the most retarded things and none of the beneficial ones.
some of the remaining jobs are staffed with illegals
In the already existing tech sector, it's a large %, I personally work with 3 people who I did not know were H1B until about a year into the job. Several of those month long 'trips to india' were actually to just re-fill out a lot of paperwork to make sure they kept their job.
Several of those month long 'trips to india' were actually to just re-fill out a lot of paperwork to make sure they kept their job.
That sounds like abuse of temporary work permits. To repeatedly apply for them. But I'm not an expert.
What they have to be is interchangeable. Because they may come in and out of a job based on funding. The immigration lottery means you don't get necessarily the particular people you want. If you had any preference. But that's how we get "Software Engineer III" job that the executives can claim to be unable to fill with native. Of course "an" Indian is right there to slot into the job.
It's interesting how so many engineers/programmers initially thought they were so good that immigration wouldn't threaten them. From a libertarian perspective. But the same thing happened as with other (let's he honest semi-)skilled labor. It drove the wages down and created a class of work product of substandard quality that is accepted.
I'm not either, partially because I don't want another thing i'm looking at to consume my little faith left in humanity. We already got the troonening and the absolute failure of all medical institutions (which is also related to imported 'professionals' but I digress).
The ones I work with are fine enough, but the system is still clearly being used inappropriately, and shaped by those above to save a buck.
The answer isn't to get rid of the automation, the answer is to delete the browns and jews. Stop making more stupid people. Start sterilizing anyone left under 100 IQ.
The thing is, whether the "elites" want to admit it or not, technological progress has significantly slowed down. The GPUs that run these meme models are already expensive as fuck (in the $30-40K range). Open AI needs to charge $100 a month for ChatGPT plus just to break even. Microsoft is investing over $100B for a single supercomputer/datacenter project that's going to be 25x bigger than the biggest datacenters and will probably be delayed as it's going to be completely off grid.
Even if they manage to make significant advancements, which isn't a given, their subscriptions are going to be so ridiculously overpriced, that they won't be competitive. Also, due to the end of Moore's law, prices will take forever to drop.
Then we also have to account for the competency crisis, which is getting exponentially worse.
They're busying proclaiming the AI retardation as a "Second Industrial Revolution" because they desperately need one to make up for all the money printing.
I remember a decade ago when the "Internet of Things" concept evolving into its final form, "smart everything" was going to be the new "tech revolution". I'm barely seeing it.
I remember when we were supposed to all be riding around in Google's driverless taxis. That was supposed to happen in 2013.
Before that, the big revolution in transport was supposed to be the Segway. That's right, everyone was going to give up cars and ride around on gay sideways scooters.
The only way you would go back to 100% of American jobs being in America, or close to 100%, is if you completely remove the internet. Unfortunately that won't happen unless there's another world war.
Well, let's take physical jobs for a start. Digital is indeed a whole other monster, but we could easily still stop massive physical outsourcing, or hiring illegals when you don't outsource.
This is a bit “whatabout-y” given that we’re mostly talking physical manufacturing and production-type jobs here…
Those have very little to do with the internet, and almost everything to do with supply chains, globalization and most importantly wages and working conditions…
That “trend” predates the mainstream internet by a few decades at least…
Truly automated supermarkets were supposed to have an RFID chip on every single item, but that's a far cry from being cost effective. For similar reasons, vending machines haven't replaced supermarkets (or even convenience stores), even though they have been a mature technology for ages.
Not to sound like a 'destroy the looms' Luddite, but automation does pose some severe problems. I'll laugh at their shit falling apart for now, but it's also probably only a matter of time until they do actually replace a lot of workers with AI or similar. Which is doubly problematic when some of the remaining jobs are staffed with illegals.
I wish we could go back to the good ol' days where actual Americans would do essentially 100% of the jobs in America.
Considering they've shown time and again they hate us, the push for automation will only lead to dystopic "own nothing and be happy" slavery from our betters, and not some utopia.
Stop pussy footing around and just join the Butlerian Jihad already.
Americans worshipping the dollar more than anything - their religion, their country, their culture - was only ever going to end one way, and we're there now. You can't have "muh free markets muh capitalism" and also prioritize employing Americans, because someone somewhere might make more shekelbucks than you by not hiring Americans, and you gotta 'win' capitalism at all costs, right? So fire all the Americans and import slaves. Don't worry bro, the GDP is up so like, that definitely means something to someone.
We could at least give it a try, though. It would still be vastly better than our current bastardization wearing a very badly done capitalism skinsuit.
America is pretty much a socialist country trying to hide behind capitalism. Except we socialize the most retarded things and none of the beneficial ones.
There are no beneficial ones. All socialism is cancer.
In the already existing tech sector, it's a large %, I personally work with 3 people who I did not know were H1B until about a year into the job. Several of those month long 'trips to india' were actually to just re-fill out a lot of paperwork to make sure they kept their job.
That sounds like abuse of temporary work permits. To repeatedly apply for them. But I'm not an expert.
What they have to be is interchangeable. Because they may come in and out of a job based on funding. The immigration lottery means you don't get necessarily the particular people you want. If you had any preference. But that's how we get "Software Engineer III" job that the executives can claim to be unable to fill with native. Of course "an" Indian is right there to slot into the job.
It's interesting how so many engineers/programmers initially thought they were so good that immigration wouldn't threaten them. From a libertarian perspective. But the same thing happened as with other (let's he honest semi-)skilled labor. It drove the wages down and created a class of work product of substandard quality that is accepted.
I'm not either, partially because I don't want another thing i'm looking at to consume my little faith left in humanity. We already got the troonening and the absolute failure of all medical institutions (which is also related to imported 'professionals' but I digress).
The ones I work with are fine enough, but the system is still clearly being used inappropriately, and shaped by those above to save a buck.
The answer isn't to get rid of the automation, the answer is to delete the browns and jews. Stop making more stupid people. Start sterilizing anyone left under 100 IQ.
when you create a machine to do the work of a man, you take something away from the man
If that happens, I bet that the unemployed will have enough time on their hands to build some pretty great guillotines.
The thing is, whether the "elites" want to admit it or not, technological progress has significantly slowed down. The GPUs that run these meme models are already expensive as fuck (in the $30-40K range). Open AI needs to charge $100 a month for ChatGPT plus just to break even. Microsoft is investing over $100B for a single supercomputer/datacenter project that's going to be 25x bigger than the biggest datacenters and will probably be delayed as it's going to be completely off grid.
Even if they manage to make significant advancements, which isn't a given, their subscriptions are going to be so ridiculously overpriced, that they won't be competitive. Also, due to the end of Moore's law, prices will take forever to drop.
Then we also have to account for the competency crisis, which is getting exponentially worse.
They're busying proclaiming the AI retardation as a "Second Industrial Revolution" because they desperately need one to make up for all the money printing.
I remember a decade ago when the "Internet of Things" concept evolving into its final form, "smart everything" was going to be the new "tech revolution". I'm barely seeing it.
I remember when we were supposed to all be riding around in Google's driverless taxis. That was supposed to happen in 2013.
Before that, the big revolution in transport was supposed to be the Segway. That's right, everyone was going to give up cars and ride around on gay sideways scooters.
The only way you would go back to 100% of American jobs being in America, or close to 100%, is if you completely remove the internet. Unfortunately that won't happen unless there's another world war.
Well, let's take physical jobs for a start. Digital is indeed a whole other monster, but we could easily still stop massive physical outsourcing, or hiring illegals when you don't outsource.
It's not like a certain Middle Eastern ethnostate is bombing embassies or anything.
This is a bit “whatabout-y” given that we’re mostly talking physical manufacturing and production-type jobs here…
Those have very little to do with the internet, and almost everything to do with supply chains, globalization and most importantly wages and working conditions…
That “trend” predates the mainstream internet by a few decades at least…
A nice big solar flare could probably do it too.
If anyone read the article they'd know that they replaced the "1,000 offshore worker" method with an in cart scanner, becoming truly automated.
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No they didn't, I didn't read the article apparently.
Truly automated supermarkets were supposed to have an RFID chip on every single item, but that's a far cry from being cost effective. For similar reasons, vending machines haven't replaced supermarkets (or even convenience stores), even though they have been a mature technology for ages.
So now it's all self-checkout, and you either self-checkout with the cart or in a line. Far cry from the promise of "effortless" shopping.
you're right, my bad