I'm so fed up of this conversation in general because like with other mental health issues people deliberately ignore the fact that there's something always deeper going on with people involved in it to begin with.
If it wasn't porn it would be something else, these are the same kind of people who can get affected by psychological manipulation through the use of bright colours and ego feeding which incidentally is what micro-transaction based gaming makes it's money from. Even if right wingers got exactly what they wanted these problems with the younger generations would still exist and then they'd either ignore it or flail their arms about going "But we banned porn!". Which is why I've made the point in the past that such things as brothels and dancing girls existed back in the day.
If right wingers just owned up and admitted they hate porn I'd respect them far more for it but instead they insist on dancing around the issue and making up bullshit. We have a mental health crisis in the west in general that people are not willing to talk about. One thing I will acknowledge though is the use of psyops in varying capacity on people, now that's the really fucking damaging stuff. Which also happens to be why I refuse to watch television, listen to radio or look at trending pages.
I would be tempted to support an experiment of banning porn just so I can see what a fucking mess people would be in when they realise nothing's changed. Of course they'll find some way to blame people getting round porn bans etc. conveniently instead of owning up. I also don't doubt that the people who screech about porn addiction would inevitably end up banning all horni in video games anyway, birds of a feather with the feminists as far as I'm concerned and I don't trust you types for a second.
If right wingers just owned up and admitted they hate porn
My guy, the one's using 'porn addiction' in arguments to target men aren't right-wing. Near exclusively, I've seen it as something women(ie, leftists) use to try and control, shame, and harass men.
At least in my experience. If that's what you're seeing, then it's a fairly universal argument, albeit for completely different reasons.
Still. I'm beginning to suspect that 'porn addiction' is less a cause and more of a symptom - people looking at down-stream results and refusing to acknowledge the source of the problem. They mumble something about porn giving 'unrealistic expectations' or 'encourages abuse toward women' or 'muh sexual slavery' as emotional arguments without ever acknowledging why men prefer to jerk it in the privacy of their own homes as opposed to engage with women to get their dick wet.
people looking at down-stream results and refusing to acknowledge the source of the problem
Humans do this a lot, sadly, either intentionally through weakness, or by accident. Maybe it's due to lack of promoting critical thinking in upbringing, or just the mind reaching for the id and superego first, ego second.
Too much energy and focus is spent on the "what", "where", and "when"; not the "how"s and subsequent "why"s
We do it because looking upstream inevitably points towards uncomfortable and unpopular truths about genetics, IQ, etc. If you dig deep enough, you end up discovering immutable realities that are incompatible with polite society.
Feminists attack porn from the angle of sexual objectification and how it victimises them and their gender as a whole. I do know quite a lot about this, they don't use the porn addiction argument. It's almost exclusively right wingers wingers that I've seen make the porn addiction argument. This is why they view by comparison OnlyFans as empowering because they financially benefit from the male attention given.
This is my view as well that watching porn is very much of a symptom of the lack of any real relationship with women. Men have a sexual desire they're never going to get rid of no matter how much these ideological groups try. Will either groups address this? No and when they do they simply shame men and then move on. Either men are evil pigs who need to learn how to express their emotions more therefore their problems will automatically be fixed or they simply need to 'go outside' and they'll magically find women to talk to.
I'm a single guy in my 30's and I can tell you both statements about men are bullshit because I'm somebody who doesn't have social anxiety or anything like that. The struggle is very real to meet new people and you do have to be on your guard for crazies, it's mostly boomers and generation x'ers who make these points too which is how I know they're probably almost always married guys who are in their safe space family hug boxes and have no idea how bad it is.
When even the gymbros are avoiding contact with women as well as a result of false accusations by attention seeking thots you have a major problem on your hands. Same goes for professional men as well that are going to be way higher on the desirability ladder for a long term partner assuming any of those really exist anymore now they've largely been drummed out of society thanks to nepotistic diversity hiring practices.
I'm ranting and this isn't necessarily against you or anything, just a major source of frustration for me on why I take the piss out of both sides, they've got no fucking idea how bad it is. Gaming is one of the few things that's kept me sane over the decades which is why I will always defend it because it provides me an outlet for my stress.
Feminists attack porn from the angle of sexual objectification and how it victimises them and their gender as a whole. I do know quite a lot about this, they don't use the porn addiction argument. It's almost exclusively right wingers wingers that I've seen make the porn addiction argument.
True up until recently. There's a recent trend of leftist adults getting mad at artists who cater to relatively normal heterosexual men, and they attack by siccing minors on them. That crowd uses it as well, probably because most everyone they're going after have social media accounts consisting entirely of porn.
Thanks for that information, in my defence, that seems pretty niche I do know there's been screeching about artists drawing lewds but from what I knew it was still from the objectifying women angle so that's interesting to know.
My guy, the one's using 'porn addiction' in arguments to target men aren't right-wing. Near exclusively, I've seen it as something women(ie, leftists) use to try and control, shame, and harass men.
The best entertainment I've gotten out of NNN is watching gooners freak out about it.
You'd think they'd just shrug and move on, but apparently having self-discipline to not masturbate for a month or so will personally offend them to the point they need to name and shame.
Still. I'm beginning to suspect that 'porn addiction' is less a cause and more of a symptom - people looking at down-stream results and refusing to acknowledge the source of the problem. They mumble something about porn giving 'unrealistic expectations' or 'encourages abuse toward women' or 'muh sexual slavery' as emotional arguments without ever acknowledging why men prefer to jerk it in the privacy of their own homes as opposed to engage with women to get their dick wet.
Most men have no hope of getting a woman and any woman we could get would be a landwhale who weighs twice as much as us, is a financial, doesn't want kids and has no reason to stay loyal. What's there to gain besides humiliation?
If it wasn't porn it would be something else, these are the same kind of people who can get affected by psychological manipulation through the use of bright colours and ego feeding which incidentally is what micro-transaction based gaming makes it's money from. Even if right wingers got exactly what they wanted these problems with the younger generations would still exist and then they'd either ignore it or flail their arms about going "But we banned porn!". Which is why I've made the point in the past that such things as brothels and dancing girls existed back in the day.
Thanks for reiterating your retarded argument that brothels = the same thing as exposing 95% of children to unlimited hours of hardcore pornography accessible anytime, anywhere, where super closeups of a dick slamming into a vagina is actually the LEAST damaging content they could access. This board has now filled the stupid quota for today.
Oh, you mean psyops like BBC, incest, sissy, and tranny porn perpetrated by the Jewish owners of Pornhub? Or the psyop to create childless sluts perpetrated by the Jewish owner of Onlyfans? Good, you're learning.
I would be tempted to support an experiment of banning porn
They already tried that experiment privately with Tumblr and Onlyfans, only one backtracked hard enough to stay relevant...plus we know western porn companies target kids as look at any attempts to age gate their content.
I wouldn't be surprised if some of the targeting of anime/hentai and games is a bit of throwing stones in glass houses as they can see how fucked things have gotten in the west thanks to porn made their and because they feel so impotent because of it lash out at animated stuff which can be addicting (like anything) but doesn't come with the physical baggage.
Yeah, what I really hate about porn companies is their targeted weirdness against people in general and them pushing certain types of porn which we now have evidence that they do. That's the psyops side of it and I'm definitely against it now that's something I can agree with right wingers on completely.
My solution is simply this, be aware of your own mental health and understand if you really do have a problem then stop. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think Joe Rogan ages ago realised he had a bit of an addictive personality when he realised what he was like with video games and it's completely understandable. Then that way you can know to avoid the dopamine hits and stay away from certain stuff you know is manipulating you or just make you behave funny like a gambling addict.
I don't like how both sides are constantly trying to put anime/games in the same bucket, pisses me off because they are not the same. Unless you count actual porn games but that's a whole other rabbit hole. To me this kind of thing screams of butthurt political factions who hate that their ideology isn't at the forefront of peoples' minds anymore.
Oh and to add to my solution to the 'porn problem' shockingly if a guy gets a girlfriend and can have sex with her whenever he wants you think they're going to care about porn in the slightest? I know I wouldn't but of course these factions would rather go after irrelevant shit over it and attack men in particular. Porn watching is more like a cope for a guy's needs and wanting a girlfriend at the end of the day for most people.
Oh and to add to my solution to the 'porn problem' shockingly if a guy gets a girlfriend and can have sex with her whenever he wants you think they're going to care about porn in the slightest? I know I wouldn't but of course these factions would rather go after irrelevant shit over it and attack men in particular. Porn watching is more like a cope for a guy's needs and wanting a girlfriend at the end of the day for most people.
Sure, but nobody wants to even speak of bringing women back under control.
plus we know western porn companies target kids as look at any attempts to age gate their content.
Any serious attempt to age gate content would be a massive violation of privacy and would likely be the complete death any pretense of online anonymity
If it wasn't porn it would be something else, these are the same kind of people who can get affected by psychological manipulation through the use of bright colours and ego feeding which incidentally is what micro-transaction based gaming makes it's money from.
Porn is different because it plays on men's desperation for love and a wife that we'll never be able to have. until women are put back under control there will always be a need for porn.
Which is why I've made the point in the past that such things as brothels and dancing girls existed back in the day.
That's prostitution and pornography. If prostitution was a death sentence we'd see far less of it.
If right wingers just owned up and admitted they hate porn I'd respect them far more for it but instead they insist on dancing around the issue and making up bullshit
My primary hatred of porn is that it's a bandaid solution for women having become unobtainable for the common man.
We have a mental health crisis in the west in general that people are not willing to talk about
The solution which is just more victim blaming, gaslighting, and prescription drugs rather than fixing the core issue just like all things "mental health related" because god forbid we install a strict code of morality and enforce monogamy.
I would be tempted to support an experiment of banning porn just so I can see what a fucking mess people would be in when they realise nothing's changed
There would be a large uptick in rape and violence from men who are left with no other way of satisfying their sexual urges, this would incentivize women to stay home and to find a man for protection, but what we would need is a polygamy ban to prevent women from all flocking to a small number of wealthy men rather than being forced to settle for the common man, without such pro-monogamy legislation we'd end up with a similar situation to the middle east and and the modern west where most men are still unable to get a wife.
I'm so fed up of this conversation in general because like with other mental health issues people deliberately ignore the fact that there's something always deeper going on with people involved in it to begin with.
If it wasn't porn it would be something else, these are the same kind of people who can get affected by psychological manipulation through the use of bright colours and ego feeding which incidentally is what micro-transaction based gaming makes it's money from. Even if right wingers got exactly what they wanted these problems with the younger generations would still exist and then they'd either ignore it or flail their arms about going "But we banned porn!". Which is why I've made the point in the past that such things as brothels and dancing girls existed back in the day.
If right wingers just owned up and admitted they hate porn I'd respect them far more for it but instead they insist on dancing around the issue and making up bullshit. We have a mental health crisis in the west in general that people are not willing to talk about. One thing I will acknowledge though is the use of psyops in varying capacity on people, now that's the really fucking damaging stuff. Which also happens to be why I refuse to watch television, listen to radio or look at trending pages.
I would be tempted to support an experiment of banning porn just so I can see what a fucking mess people would be in when they realise nothing's changed. Of course they'll find some way to blame people getting round porn bans etc. conveniently instead of owning up. I also don't doubt that the people who screech about porn addiction would inevitably end up banning all horni in video games anyway, birds of a feather with the feminists as far as I'm concerned and I don't trust you types for a second.
My guy, the one's using 'porn addiction' in arguments to target men aren't right-wing. Near exclusively, I've seen it as something women(ie, leftists) use to try and control, shame, and harass men.
At least in my experience. If that's what you're seeing, then it's a fairly universal argument, albeit for completely different reasons.
Still. I'm beginning to suspect that 'porn addiction' is less a cause and more of a symptom - people looking at down-stream results and refusing to acknowledge the source of the problem. They mumble something about porn giving 'unrealistic expectations' or 'encourages abuse toward women' or 'muh sexual slavery' as emotional arguments without ever acknowledging why men prefer to jerk it in the privacy of their own homes as opposed to engage with women to get their dick wet.
Humans do this a lot, sadly, either intentionally through weakness, or by accident. Maybe it's due to lack of promoting critical thinking in upbringing, or just the mind reaching for the id and superego first, ego second.
Too much energy and focus is spent on the "what", "where", and "when"; not the "how"s and subsequent "why"s
We do it because looking upstream inevitably points towards uncomfortable and unpopular truths about genetics, IQ, etc. If you dig deep enough, you end up discovering immutable realities that are incompatible with polite society.
Feminists attack porn from the angle of sexual objectification and how it victimises them and their gender as a whole. I do know quite a lot about this, they don't use the porn addiction argument. It's almost exclusively right wingers wingers that I've seen make the porn addiction argument. This is why they view by comparison OnlyFans as empowering because they financially benefit from the male attention given.
This is my view as well that watching porn is very much of a symptom of the lack of any real relationship with women. Men have a sexual desire they're never going to get rid of no matter how much these ideological groups try. Will either groups address this? No and when they do they simply shame men and then move on. Either men are evil pigs who need to learn how to express their emotions more therefore their problems will automatically be fixed or they simply need to 'go outside' and they'll magically find women to talk to.
I'm a single guy in my 30's and I can tell you both statements about men are bullshit because I'm somebody who doesn't have social anxiety or anything like that. The struggle is very real to meet new people and you do have to be on your guard for crazies, it's mostly boomers and generation x'ers who make these points too which is how I know they're probably almost always married guys who are in their safe space family hug boxes and have no idea how bad it is.
When even the gymbros are avoiding contact with women as well as a result of false accusations by attention seeking thots you have a major problem on your hands. Same goes for professional men as well that are going to be way higher on the desirability ladder for a long term partner assuming any of those really exist anymore now they've largely been drummed out of society thanks to nepotistic diversity hiring practices.
I'm ranting and this isn't necessarily against you or anything, just a major source of frustration for me on why I take the piss out of both sides, they've got no fucking idea how bad it is. Gaming is one of the few things that's kept me sane over the decades which is why I will always defend it because it provides me an outlet for my stress.
True up until recently. There's a recent trend of leftist adults getting mad at artists who cater to relatively normal heterosexual men, and they attack by siccing minors on them. That crowd uses it as well, probably because most everyone they're going after have social media accounts consisting entirely of porn.
Thanks for that information, in my defence, that seems pretty niche I do know there's been screeching about artists drawing lewds but from what I knew it was still from the objectifying women angle so that's interesting to know.
Bro, have you not heard of no-fap?
The best entertainment I've gotten out of NNN is watching gooners freak out about it.
You'd think they'd just shrug and move on, but apparently having self-discipline to not masturbate for a month or so will personally offend them to the point they need to name and shame.
Most men have no hope of getting a woman and any woman we could get would be a landwhale who weighs twice as much as us, is a financial, doesn't want kids and has no reason to stay loyal. What's there to gain besides humiliation?
Thanks for reiterating your retarded argument that brothels = the same thing as exposing 95% of children to unlimited hours of hardcore pornography accessible anytime, anywhere, where super closeups of a dick slamming into a vagina is actually the LEAST damaging content they could access. This board has now filled the stupid quota for today.
Brothels are even worse IMO, they should have all had their doors and windows barred and been burnt down at full capacity.
I love how you even quoted my post and completely ignored the point I was making about targeted psyops by porn companies, fuck off.
Oh, you mean psyops like BBC, incest, sissy, and tranny porn perpetrated by the Jewish owners of Pornhub? Or the psyop to create childless sluts perpetrated by the Jewish owner of Onlyfans? Good, you're learning.
They already tried that experiment privately with Tumblr and Onlyfans, only one backtracked hard enough to stay relevant...plus we know western porn companies target kids as look at any attempts to age gate their content.
I wouldn't be surprised if some of the targeting of anime/hentai and games is a bit of throwing stones in glass houses as they can see how fucked things have gotten in the west thanks to porn made their and because they feel so impotent because of it lash out at animated stuff which can be addicting (like anything) but doesn't come with the physical baggage.
Yeah, what I really hate about porn companies is their targeted weirdness against people in general and them pushing certain types of porn which we now have evidence that they do. That's the psyops side of it and I'm definitely against it now that's something I can agree with right wingers on completely.
My solution is simply this, be aware of your own mental health and understand if you really do have a problem then stop. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think Joe Rogan ages ago realised he had a bit of an addictive personality when he realised what he was like with video games and it's completely understandable. Then that way you can know to avoid the dopamine hits and stay away from certain stuff you know is manipulating you or just make you behave funny like a gambling addict.
I don't like how both sides are constantly trying to put anime/games in the same bucket, pisses me off because they are not the same. Unless you count actual porn games but that's a whole other rabbit hole. To me this kind of thing screams of butthurt political factions who hate that their ideology isn't at the forefront of peoples' minds anymore.
Oh and to add to my solution to the 'porn problem' shockingly if a guy gets a girlfriend and can have sex with her whenever he wants you think they're going to care about porn in the slightest? I know I wouldn't but of course these factions would rather go after irrelevant shit over it and attack men in particular. Porn watching is more like a cope for a guy's needs and wanting a girlfriend at the end of the day for most people.
Sure, but nobody wants to even speak of bringing women back under control.
Any serious attempt to age gate content would be a massive violation of privacy and would likely be the complete death any pretense of online anonymity
Porn is different because it plays on men's desperation for love and a wife that we'll never be able to have. until women are put back under control there will always be a need for porn.
That's prostitution and pornography. If prostitution was a death sentence we'd see far less of it.
My primary hatred of porn is that it's a bandaid solution for women having become unobtainable for the common man.
The solution which is just more victim blaming, gaslighting, and prescription drugs rather than fixing the core issue just like all things "mental health related" because god forbid we install a strict code of morality and enforce monogamy.
There would be a large uptick in rape and violence from men who are left with no other way of satisfying their sexual urges, this would incentivize women to stay home and to find a man for protection, but what we would need is a polygamy ban to prevent women from all flocking to a small number of wealthy men rather than being forced to settle for the common man, without such pro-monogamy legislation we'd end up with a similar situation to the middle east and and the modern west where most men are still unable to get a wife.