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I wonder if the reason the leftists try so hard to incriminate Japan to the point of lying about them, is because they dont want Japan be used as a redpilled example of a well functioning homogenous society . . (media.kotakuinaction2.win)
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– SoctaticMethod1 19 points 2 years ago +19 / -0

Can we all just collectively agree, the rise in communism during the 20th century along with Nazis was all Woodrow Wilson's fault?

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– deleted 10 points 2 years ago +10 / -0
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– SoctaticMethod1 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

True but better to get rid of the original so the evolved can't exist.

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– AntonioOfVenice 4 points 2 years ago +4 / -0

Not quite, both were the fault of Germany's decision to launch a war of aggression against France in 1914. The tsar had already fallen by the time Wilson took the US into war, but the continuaton of the war then led to the fall of the Provisional Government.

The decision to remove the monarchy in Germany was also a disastrous one.

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– SoctaticMethod1 6 points 2 years ago +6 / -0

Oh I don't mean stopping the war, I mean ending it early. Wilson is the one that delayed American troops joining till they eventually did. By this time Russia had withdrawn from the war so Germany could move it's Eastern forces to reinforce the Western flank to combat the newly arriving Americans.

If they had been sent earlier (which is what Teddy wanted), Germany wouldn't have the forces to spare to reinforce, the western flank would've folded and Germany would have lost the war while Russia was under the provincial government meaning the Soviets would have never risen and in the treaty talks after, Wilson wouldn't have been invited to expel the virtues of interventionalism.

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– AntonioOfVenice 8 points 2 years ago +8 / -0

Oh I don't mean stopping the war, I mean ending it early. Wilson is the one that delayed American troops joining till they eventually did.

You're European, right? It shows, because most Americans who despise Wilson do so because he got the US involved in World War I to begin with.

It probably wasn't practical to get the US involved from the word go. Not enough elite support. So it's hard to blame that on Wilson, if you think it's blameworthy.

Germany wouldn't have the forces to spare to reinforce, the western flank would've folded and Germany would have lost the war while Russia was under the provincial government meaning the Soviets would have never risen and in the treaty talks after, Wilson wouldn't have been invited to expel the virtues of interventionalism.

The US being involved from the beginning would have meant that it would have a greater, not smaller role, in the ensuing peace negotiations. The peace treaty would probably be less harsh than it was in 1919, as it was mostly harsh because of the large French influence. Maybe that's good, maybe not. The problem with Versailles was that it punished Germany enough to make it a revisionist power, but not enough to take away its power to do anything about it - at least not without constant vigilance.

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– SoctaticMethod1 4 points 2 years ago +4 / -0

If Wilson is removed, Teddy is probably the guy that wins himself and he said himself he'd just send a representative than going himself like Wilson did as he felt Europe contributed the most to it.

He also would've taken advantage of the end of the war to pass a few things at home like I was really interesting in his proposed bill to have judges repealed by popular vote.

There wasn't enough elitevsuppirt to join in the beginning but there was a lot of public sentiment to join in the states, Wilson was trying to silence those calling to join while if Teddy was in, he'd have fanned them to get in earlier.

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– LauriThorne 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

If America had gotten involved earlier and ended the war earlier, the Soviet Union might not have existed in the first place. Who can say though? The revolution might still have happened for some other reason.

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– realerfunction 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

we never should have gotten involved

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