Full rides are so few and far between for football players compared to revenue brought in it’s a joke. Football players unionized actually makes sense in this regard as schools have been fucking them raw for decades so Molly sue and co could get a full ride scholarship for cheerleading.
This is entirely the NCAA and more importantly title IXs fault. If schools weren’t forced to used funds from three male sports to finance 30 sports teams then football players would all have had free rides long before now, and deservedly so considering that football brings in more revenue to colleges compared to any sport period.
Title IX is the death of sports. When I was in college(about 20 years ago) they had a fencing club that was trying to form an official team. They had enough guys lined up to form an official team but the administration said no because they needed to have women's team first to comply with title IX and that any men's team would have to be formed at least one year following the women's team.
A real shame Darsean lost a hand to an "accident" at a "party" and will never play football again. He really should have not made those "innocent comments" about "just wanting to play" while he knew his union was "negotiating" a "deal" with the Rose Bowl committee.
Doomer snark predictions aside, the athletes are compensated with scholarships and living stipends, no? I would argue they are already being paid.
This is actually vastly untrue. The majority of football players don’t see a dime. You can thank title IX for that as they can’t treat football more favorably despite making 1000xs of times more revenue than other sports. The average D-1 college linemen doesn’t get a scholarship or one so low it’s insulting (~5-10%) of college tuition. Title IX really forced a heavy socialism on school sports so no matter how much they bring in revenue the players must be “treated” the same as any other athlete.
Which is about 2/3rds of a team, closer to half of a 4 or 5 star team. FCS gets 63, and D2 gets 36. Across the board every football team gets far less than what they earn financially.
Even the ones who are given scholarships and living stipends still can't profit off of shit that they could have done in any other industry. They can't make money off of merchandise, their likeness, or anything with their name on it. They make college football coaches the highest paid public employees in the US, bring in literally hundreds of millions of dollars, and end up not seeing a fucking dime.
And that's in the good cases.
I think Northwestern got smashed for two separate scandals:
Those "living stipends" didn't come through for a lot of the athletes, and were actually so low that the football team complained of starvation. After an investigation was done, yeah, the football team was malnourished because they were burning way more calories in practice than they were given to take in via a measly stipend that couldn't pay for much of a lunch. That is on top of the fact that they sometimes weren't given access to food. Full retardation.
Then we need to have a conversation about the cheerleaders. Turns out while the men were starving, the cheerleaders were basically being exploited in a human trafficking ring. "Barely legal" aged cheerleaders were basically required to dress in scantily clad clothing for school donors during fund-raising events, including being given instructions about how to behave and respond if any of the donors got frisky (which was to basically let them have their way). Several of the cheerleaders allege that they were required to have sex with some of the donors as a reward for some of the fundraising.
Nobody gets paid appropriately. But also, nobody gets paid enough to starve or get trafficked.
It’s way worse than that, I’ve known quite a few college athletes over the years, the average student athlete will drop out their junior year because they either run out of scholarship funds or realize they just aren’t good enough for a professional league and cut their losses. This is also due to the majority of athletes getting put in high school plus degrees they know are worthless but have very low in seat and time demands so they can focus on athletics. This is by design in many colleges who have “academic requirements” but that means getting a C or better in a high school algebra class.
My university had college courses explicitly for college athletes. Basically, a slow class, who's entire structure was built around the sports industry (assuming that they would have to go into that, rather than drop out. None of the theoretical knowledge needed. Most of the work was plug and chug calculations.
It kept the GPA's up, since they would have flunked out of normal classes, and it at least gives them a chance to be skilled enough to do something else in the sports industry, rather than just going home and picking up a retail job after dropping out.
The other scam is they tell professors who have star athletes in them that they can't have attendance requirements, give quizzes, or assign papers and that they can only give a midterm and a final.
A friend of mine went to a school where a big name NBA player graduated from while he was there and people used to clamor to get into classes he was in because they knew there would be zero work done in them.
Unfortunately, there's a big difference between getting fucked, and having the state require your fucking. Typically you can't undo the latter in less than 2 generations.
It's a miracle we've been able to get rid of mask mandates as much as we have.
On my phone at work, so most of the comments in the thread explain more than I can, but there’s so much that goes into that decision, and it’s just a mess. The NCAA does only have itself to blame though.
Full-ride scholarship conditions: you cannot join a "collegiate athlete union." Matter settled.
Full rides are so few and far between for football players compared to revenue brought in it’s a joke. Football players unionized actually makes sense in this regard as schools have been fucking them raw for decades so Molly sue and co could get a full ride scholarship for cheerleading.
This is entirely the NCAA and more importantly title IXs fault. If schools weren’t forced to used funds from three male sports to finance 30 sports teams then football players would all have had free rides long before now, and deservedly so considering that football brings in more revenue to colleges compared to any sport period.
Title IX is the death of sports. When I was in college(about 20 years ago) they had a fencing club that was trying to form an official team. They had enough guys lined up to form an official team but the administration said no because they needed to have women's team first to comply with title IX and that any men's team would have to be formed at least one year following the women's team.
To date they still have zero fencing teams.
A real shame Darsean lost a hand to an "accident" at a "party" and will never play football again. He really should have not made those "innocent comments" about "just wanting to play" while he knew his union was "negotiating" a "deal" with the Rose Bowl committee.
Doomer snark predictions aside, the athletes are compensated with scholarships and living stipends, no? I would argue they are already being paid.
This is actually vastly untrue. The majority of football players don’t see a dime. You can thank title IX for that as they can’t treat football more favorably despite making 1000xs of times more revenue than other sports. The average D-1 college linemen doesn’t get a scholarship or one so low it’s insulting (~5-10%) of college tuition. Title IX really forced a heavy socialism on school sports so no matter how much they bring in revenue the players must be “treated” the same as any other athlete.
I thought all 85 of the scholarships allotted to D1 schools for football were full rides?
Which is about 2/3rds of a team, closer to half of a 4 or 5 star team. FCS gets 63, and D2 gets 36. Across the board every football team gets far less than what they earn financially.
Interesting. I had no idea, so thank you for sorting that for me.
It is strange how "everyone gets the same" seems to devolve into "the majority get much less" when it comes to socialized outcomes.
Even the ones who are given scholarships and living stipends still can't profit off of shit that they could have done in any other industry. They can't make money off of merchandise, their likeness, or anything with their name on it. They make college football coaches the highest paid public employees in the US, bring in literally hundreds of millions of dollars, and end up not seeing a fucking dime.
And that's in the good cases.
I think Northwestern got smashed for two separate scandals:
Those "living stipends" didn't come through for a lot of the athletes, and were actually so low that the football team complained of starvation. After an investigation was done, yeah, the football team was malnourished because they were burning way more calories in practice than they were given to take in via a measly stipend that couldn't pay for much of a lunch. That is on top of the fact that they sometimes weren't given access to food. Full retardation.
Then we need to have a conversation about the cheerleaders. Turns out while the men were starving, the cheerleaders were basically being exploited in a human trafficking ring. "Barely legal" aged cheerleaders were basically required to dress in scantily clad clothing for school donors during fund-raising events, including being given instructions about how to behave and respond if any of the donors got frisky (which was to basically let them have their way). Several of the cheerleaders allege that they were required to have sex with some of the donors as a reward for some of the fundraising.
Nobody gets paid appropriately. But also, nobody gets paid enough to starve or get trafficked.
What I'm saying is: don't go to Northwestern.
That’s what NIL is for now, but this is still getting pushed through the courts
I'm for it. Too many athletes haven't actually gotten an education. Let them create their own world completely and leave academia to rot.
It’s way worse than that, I’ve known quite a few college athletes over the years, the average student athlete will drop out their junior year because they either run out of scholarship funds or realize they just aren’t good enough for a professional league and cut their losses. This is also due to the majority of athletes getting put in high school plus degrees they know are worthless but have very low in seat and time demands so they can focus on athletics. This is by design in many colleges who have “academic requirements” but that means getting a C or better in a high school algebra class.
My university had college courses explicitly for college athletes. Basically, a slow class, who's entire structure was built around the sports industry (assuming that they would have to go into that, rather than drop out. None of the theoretical knowledge needed. Most of the work was plug and chug calculations.
It kept the GPA's up, since they would have flunked out of normal classes, and it at least gives them a chance to be skilled enough to do something else in the sports industry, rather than just going home and picking up a retail job after dropping out.
The other scam is they tell professors who have star athletes in them that they can't have attendance requirements, give quizzes, or assign papers and that they can only give a midterm and a final.
A friend of mine went to a school where a big name NBA player graduated from while he was there and people used to clamor to get into classes he was in because they knew there would be zero work done in them.
Public sector unions are the worst.
This would guarantee that college athletes will continue to get nothing of profit from any college sport.
Likely, but the schools were doing that anyway.
Unfortunately, there's a big difference between getting fucked, and having the state require your fucking. Typically you can't undo the latter in less than 2 generations.
It's a miracle we've been able to get rid of mask mandates as much as we have.
Let me guess: the union bosses are going to be the ones that will profit most?
Name one time this didn't happen.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/s/svPSEku3X5
On my phone at work, so most of the comments in the thread explain more than I can, but there’s so much that goes into that decision, and it’s just a mess. The NCAA does only have itself to blame though.
The NCAA has some of the dumbest rules possible governing their players.
and here I thought most colleges already had a student union...
Are they doing this or is it just being talked about?