I kind of wish it wasn't. Don't get me wrong, it makes logical sense given the reality on the ground but it's also a very defeatist attitude. "Just don't bother because we have given up trying to figure out how to fix the problem."
I think you have a misunderstanding of MGTOW. Most of the guys are saying you should give up trying to date women because the way the game works is setup such that you're going to fail as a man. Women are just not worth your time. However, fixing society is still something MGTOW men are interested in but most men have no power to fix anything. In fact, boycotting women is often the only power move men have and if enough men stopped dating women altogether you might actually start getting changes to society.
Not only is not dating women a direct bargaining chip, but fear of becoming undatable via the whisper network seems to keep a lot of men from really voicing their minds and properly fighting back with all the shit women get up to when they band together.
Once that fear is gone maybe more guys will find their spines again.
I consumed their content for several years in the past. I don't misunderstand them, they're simply dead wrong about abstaining from women being a solution to anything.
How so? I feel like a lot of people are discussing birth rates as a problem to the sustainability of society. Elon Musk talks about it. Some politicians like DeSantis touches on it. As birth rates do continue to plummet and while immigration is not popular, people will start trying to tackle the birth rate problem. The more men who are checked out of the system completely, the harder it'll be to find a solution so the more extreme people will go toward creating a solution and typically, the way the solutions will go will be to oppress men more which will actually exasperate the problem until there is a breakdown in civilization which would allow for men to reestablish a patriarchy from the ashes of civilization.
IMO anyhow, there is no solution without completely tearing down civilization today as we know it. A solution within the system can never be had, ever. We've gone too far that the only potential path up is to tear it all down and start new.
I see MGTOW as recognizing both the biological limitations of women, and the societal institutions set up to advance their interests at the expense of men. Nothing can change biology, but by saying "I'm out until you fix your shit" you can possibly incentivize society to change. And if it doesn't, so be it- at least you're not playing a losing game.
Men's rights groups have tried working within the system to change it and failed. Your remaining choices are to submit and become an ATM for some woman, or walk away.
MGTOW is pretty well received on this board so it's all good.
I kind of wish it wasn't. Don't get me wrong, it makes logical sense given the reality on the ground but it's also a very defeatist attitude. "Just don't bother because we have given up trying to figure out how to fix the problem."
I think you have a misunderstanding of MGTOW. Most of the guys are saying you should give up trying to date women because the way the game works is setup such that you're going to fail as a man. Women are just not worth your time. However, fixing society is still something MGTOW men are interested in but most men have no power to fix anything. In fact, boycotting women is often the only power move men have and if enough men stopped dating women altogether you might actually start getting changes to society.
Not only is not dating women a direct bargaining chip, but fear of becoming undatable via the whisper network seems to keep a lot of men from really voicing their minds and properly fighting back with all the shit women get up to when they band together.
Once that fear is gone maybe more guys will find their spines again.
I consumed their content for several years in the past. I don't misunderstand them, they're simply dead wrong about abstaining from women being a solution to anything.
How so? I feel like a lot of people are discussing birth rates as a problem to the sustainability of society. Elon Musk talks about it. Some politicians like DeSantis touches on it. As birth rates do continue to plummet and while immigration is not popular, people will start trying to tackle the birth rate problem. The more men who are checked out of the system completely, the harder it'll be to find a solution so the more extreme people will go toward creating a solution and typically, the way the solutions will go will be to oppress men more which will actually exasperate the problem until there is a breakdown in civilization which would allow for men to reestablish a patriarchy from the ashes of civilization.
IMO anyhow, there is no solution without completely tearing down civilization today as we know it. A solution within the system can never be had, ever. We've gone too far that the only potential path up is to tear it all down and start new.
So then what's your proposed solution?
I see MGTOW as recognizing both the biological limitations of women, and the societal institutions set up to advance their interests at the expense of men. Nothing can change biology, but by saying "I'm out until you fix your shit" you can possibly incentivize society to change. And if it doesn't, so be it- at least you're not playing a losing game.
Men's rights groups have tried working within the system to change it and failed. Your remaining choices are to submit and become an ATM for some woman, or walk away.