I haven't been able to gauge if my neighborhood is fired up or just 'whatever' about this shit, but I am surprised how many people are in the 'I've seen this before' camp. Like, some actual memory that this shit becomes insipid and there's no fucking fixing it. All you end up with is 3 new parts of town you can't go to anymore because every store turns halal and Arabic from the massive refugee dumps.
I've got some activists in my neighborhood who fill their yard with Biden, BLM, and Protect Trans Kids signs. I wanna put some 'Trans Kids Are Sexy' signs in their yard, and see if they unironically keep them up. Maybe poison the well against them further. Accelerate at the very least.
Like out in the wild, at least in Tampa, I haven't seen Ukraine or Israel flags. I have seen some 'stand with Ukraine' lettering on church signs, but it makes sense as they are Orthodox churches.
It's mostly just the boutique Blue No Matter Who genre in yards around here, and the umbrella stuff under that.
The Cult of the Current Thing has only one rule: Support current thing or else.
As soon members violate that one rule, they are fair game for punishment, even more so than nonmembers as it re-enforces the "or else" part of the rule, and because members have seen first hand how gleefully the cult deals out punisment, it keeps the faithful in line.
I think what annoys me more than anything is seeing mainstream conservatives, even "MAGA" types only looking at it from a pro-Israeli point of view, and a VERY surface level view at that. Even El Donaldo Trumpo himself is pro-Israeli state.
The position as a MAGA supporter (or at least my position anyway) is to want to withdraw funding from Israel as well, because much like Ukraine, it's like throwing money into a black hole where no progress is made. There's been a lot of people on the right pointing to leftists and (justly) mocking leftists for supporting Palestinians who would hate their faggotry/troon bullshit, not realizing that the "average" Palestinian would call to have them thrown off a roof for their degeneracy.
But the counter-argument to that from some "mainstream MAGA" types (not neocons, we know they simp for Zionism) is to go "look at all these innocent people who were killed, Hamas shot first!" to make Israel look to be the victim, not looking back at the decades and decades and centuries of precedent that led to all this where both sides have done incredibly seedy bullshit to each other.
I personally think the most practical thing to do (and I know this is to the consternation of a bunch of you 1488ers here) is to cut back funding of Israel (duh), and for a strong leader like Trump to sit both of these sides asses down on the table and get them to talk. Get Trump to threaten to pull an remaining funding and support from Israel if they continue to do these "retaliatory" strikes and threaten to glass all of Gaza if Hamas continues to attack Israel.
If both sides refuse to listen, we withdraw all our support, money, weaponry, etc. out of that region and let them fend to themselves.
I know normally we're not the world police, but I'm trying to think of this from a practical standpoint because "GAS ZE JUICE" despite how good it makes a bunch of you feel great to say, will not realistically solve this shitshow.
Much like Trump with the Ukraine shitshow, I just want everyone to stop fucking fighting. Apparently "stop engaging in war" is still a hard thing for our government elites to give a shit about.
I doubt you can win the presidency without being pro Israel. This isn't to defend anything our Trumo has said in particular. Just an observation.
Get Trump to threaten to pull an remaining funding and support from Israel if they continue to do these "retaliatory" strikes and threaten to glass all of Gaza if Hamas continues to attack Israel.
Well he'd better win first because he can't do anything until then. Also what's the difference in the US glassing all of Gaza or Israel doing it?
I guess the difference between you and me is I don't care about solving their war. I'd rather withdraw our support from the region right now and let them do what they want. Unfortunately whatever happens there might come back to bite us one way or another.
There's a lawyer that I watch named Good Lawgic. He's a big MAGA type, but he's also Jewish, and he makes fun of the standard Jewish stereotypes about Jews being in positions of power, etc. all the time. He's self aware, he understands.
But here's the big problem for him - he has actual relatives in Israel. So when people wanted him to comment on this issue, he outright said "there is no way I would be able to align my principles as a MAGA supporter with the sheer emotional attachment I have to Israel considering my birth family comes from there and I still have relatives living there."
Like, he's the first honest Jew (heh heh) that said that he cannot be impartial about this subject because he has literally an emotional connection to the country and he struggles between his support for his family (which is good, yes?) and his principles as a MAGA supporter where he knows logically the same arguments that he had about the Ukraine-Russia shitshow (stop sending money over there, we're wasting time there) SHOULD be logically applied to Israel-Palestine, but he has a mental hurdle he can't jump because of the direct effect it would have on his family.
All the other "conserva-Jews" I've seen blindly support Israel and refuse to acknowledge that their blind support for Israel is due to some stupid comaraderie with Judaism being another "religion" to support here in the West and/or some sort of ill-concieved loyalty to a tiny strip of land that's on the other side of the world. The only problem is none of the conserva-Jews actually are HONEST about it like the Good Lawgic dude I talked to is.
It's the same way Ilhan Omar always talks negatively about Israel - her surface-level arguments against Israel existing make sense, but it's not coming from any kind of position that aligns with our position. She bitches about Israel because the Mudslimes hate Jews. Most of us (sans for some 1488ers in this board) bitch about Israel because we waste too much fucking money on them and they should be fixing their own shit.
My despondence towards camaraderie with my community has hit an all-time high
Be part of a community where you want to be, that carries and respects the values you care about, and that you want to be part of. Not a decaying cancerous "community" you happen to find yourself in right now.
I know things suck right now, with cost of living, mortgage rates, and job openings what they are, but you can change this. This advice might just save your life and the lives of your family.
I haven't been able to gauge if my neighborhood is fired up or just 'whatever' about this shit, but I am surprised how many people are in the 'I've seen this before' camp. Like, some actual memory that this shit becomes insipid and there's no fucking fixing it. All you end up with is 3 new parts of town you can't go to anymore because every store turns halal and Arabic from the massive refugee dumps.
I've got some activists in my neighborhood who fill their yard with Biden, BLM, and Protect Trans Kids signs. I wanna put some 'Trans Kids Are Sexy' signs in their yard, and see if they unironically keep them up. Maybe poison the well against them further. Accelerate at the very least.
Nobody’s replaced their Ukraine flags with Israel or Palestine ones?
Like out in the wild, at least in Tampa, I haven't seen Ukraine or Israel flags. I have seen some 'stand with Ukraine' lettering on church signs, but it makes sense as they are Orthodox churches.
It's mostly just the boutique Blue No Matter Who genre in yards around here, and the umbrella stuff under that.
It's been strange to see this whiplash of topical conflict, how quickly people will turn into rabid jingoists at a mere snap of the fingers.
Oh how hastily their lawn ornaments, flags, and profile pics do change.
The Cult of the Current Thing has only one rule: Support current thing or else.
As soon members violate that one rule, they are fair game for punishment, even more so than nonmembers as it re-enforces the "or else" part of the rule, and because members have seen first hand how gleefully the cult deals out punisment, it keeps the faithful in line.
I think what annoys me more than anything is seeing mainstream conservatives, even "MAGA" types only looking at it from a pro-Israeli point of view, and a VERY surface level view at that. Even El Donaldo Trumpo himself is pro-Israeli state.
The position as a MAGA supporter (or at least my position anyway) is to want to withdraw funding from Israel as well, because much like Ukraine, it's like throwing money into a black hole where no progress is made. There's been a lot of people on the right pointing to leftists and (justly) mocking leftists for supporting Palestinians who would hate their faggotry/troon bullshit, not realizing that the "average" Palestinian would call to have them thrown off a roof for their degeneracy.
But the counter-argument to that from some "mainstream MAGA" types (not neocons, we know they simp for Zionism) is to go "look at all these innocent people who were killed, Hamas shot first!" to make Israel look to be the victim, not looking back at the decades and decades and centuries of precedent that led to all this where both sides have done incredibly seedy bullshit to each other.
I personally think the most practical thing to do (and I know this is to the consternation of a bunch of you 1488ers here) is to cut back funding of Israel (duh), and for a strong leader like Trump to sit both of these sides asses down on the table and get them to talk. Get Trump to threaten to pull an remaining funding and support from Israel if they continue to do these "retaliatory" strikes and threaten to glass all of Gaza if Hamas continues to attack Israel.
If both sides refuse to listen, we withdraw all our support, money, weaponry, etc. out of that region and let them fend to themselves.
I know normally we're not the world police, but I'm trying to think of this from a practical standpoint because "GAS ZE JUICE" despite how good it makes a bunch of you feel great to say, will not realistically solve this shitshow.
Much like Trump with the Ukraine shitshow, I just want everyone to stop fucking fighting. Apparently "stop engaging in war" is still a hard thing for our government elites to give a shit about.
I doubt you can win the presidency without being pro Israel. This isn't to defend anything our Trumo has said in particular. Just an observation.
Well he'd better win first because he can't do anything until then. Also what's the difference in the US glassing all of Gaza or Israel doing it?
I guess the difference between you and me is I don't care about solving their war. I'd rather withdraw our support from the region right now and let them do what they want. Unfortunately whatever happens there might come back to bite us one way or another.
I know people who can be whipped into a frenzy by playing scary music on the 6:00 news
I actually had a good convo with in laws about why I don't want to be involved with it. And especially why I don't want to send money to Israel.
They were surprisingly receptive for being normie conservatives.
The thing is most normie conservatives can be swayed with logic. They are ripe for being allies.
There's a lawyer that I watch named Good Lawgic. He's a big MAGA type, but he's also Jewish, and he makes fun of the standard Jewish stereotypes about Jews being in positions of power, etc. all the time. He's self aware, he understands.
But here's the big problem for him - he has actual relatives in Israel. So when people wanted him to comment on this issue, he outright said "there is no way I would be able to align my principles as a MAGA supporter with the sheer emotional attachment I have to Israel considering my birth family comes from there and I still have relatives living there."
Like, he's the first honest Jew (heh heh) that said that he cannot be impartial about this subject because he has literally an emotional connection to the country and he struggles between his support for his family (which is good, yes?) and his principles as a MAGA supporter where he knows logically the same arguments that he had about the Ukraine-Russia shitshow (stop sending money over there, we're wasting time there) SHOULD be logically applied to Israel-Palestine, but he has a mental hurdle he can't jump because of the direct effect it would have on his family.
All the other "conserva-Jews" I've seen blindly support Israel and refuse to acknowledge that their blind support for Israel is due to some stupid comaraderie with Judaism being another "religion" to support here in the West and/or some sort of ill-concieved loyalty to a tiny strip of land that's on the other side of the world. The only problem is none of the conserva-Jews actually are HONEST about it like the Good Lawgic dude I talked to is.
It's the same way Ilhan Omar always talks negatively about Israel - her surface-level arguments against Israel existing make sense, but it's not coming from any kind of position that aligns with our position. She bitches about Israel because the Mudslimes hate Jews. Most of us (sans for some 1488ers in this board) bitch about Israel because we waste too much fucking money on them and they should be fixing their own shit.
I'm good bro. It's time to have conversation about what it means to be an American. You know the guy will always be a jew first. ✡️
Be part of a community where you want to be, that carries and respects the values you care about, and that you want to be part of. Not a decaying cancerous "community" you happen to find yourself in right now.
I know things suck right now, with cost of living, mortgage rates, and job openings what they are, but you can change this. This advice might just save your life and the lives of your family.