What "dues" does he owe, and how are they paid by throwing a man in prison for the last couple years of his life?
But if that's the standard by which "civilized" people act, then that's fine. I hope to live long enough to see a 98 year-old retired pharmacist hanged for refusing to fill an Ivermectin prescription in 2020.
All anyone knows about history seems to be "muh Nazis bad".
The Soviets caused the Holodomr in the Ukraine less than 30 years before WWII. They systemically killed more than three times the number of people who were killed in the Holocaust and the whole operation was led by a Jew (Lazar).
If people are going to condemn a hundred year old man for fighting for his people, they'd better have the same attitude towards current day Jews genociding Palestians.
There's definitely a couple problems with this. Figures from the holodomor range anywhere between 4-10 million, so this would even be more than twice the deaths in the holocaust, if you were only counting jews alone. It seems like the more closely accepted number is around five, which would be at least comparable. The greatest difference here would be scope, as one involved most of Europe, and the other involved Ukraine in particular. That could have an effect on per capita rates; but I doubt those would be useful because one has an international scope, and the other has a national scope.
And as AoV said, there is a disingenuous attempt to ignore the fact that the orders were still coming from Stalin.
All that being said, it's hard to tell if it is proper disinformation, so won't be removed.
It's come up many times that Ukrainian Nazis are torturing people to death, shooting fleeing civilians, and committing war crimes against POWs, but this dude is suddenly just "fighting for his people"... because he's more closely linked with Hitler's Nazis. LOL
Some of you may have been staring into the void too long.
The Soviets caused the Holodomr in the Ukraine less than 30 years before WWII
Less than 10 years actually. You don't sound particularly well informed.
They systemically killed more than three times the number of people who were killed in the Holocaust
How many?
and the whole operation was led by a Jew (Lazar).
"Lazar"? You on a first name basis with murderous communists, or is that the only part of the name you know? I assume you mean Lazar Kaganovich. It's funny that you blame everyone except "Joseph", the Georgian at the top.
If people are going to condemn a hundred year old man for fighting for his people
This guy wasn't even from the Soviet part of Ukraine. He was born in Poland. And he was fighting for the people who were trying to exterminate Slavs in general. That's not "fighting for your people".
they'd better have the same attitude towards current day Jews genociding Palestians.
The multitude of Holocaust museums (including quite a number in the US) and half of the German nation suffering under Communism was never enough I reckon?
Nuremberg and additional trials of the time only convicted 179 people (with 37 of those being executed), but I guess we need to be hunting those who were SS members from a lifetime ago now? Statue of limitations, buddy.
(Edit: The number leaves out the other warcrime trials, like for Dachau etc, contemporary and long ex post facto, but it should be noted that a lot arrested didn't see trial)
I don't support prosecuting this man for mere affiliation with the SS, but are you seriously arguing that mass murderers should not be punished because some museums were erected to their crimes?
I didn't know that if 1/4 of Germans suffer under communism, that somehow pardons mass murders committed by Ukrainians. I guess Stalin is now pardoned because 100% of Germans and 40% of Soviets suffered under Nazism.
That's not what I was arguing. I was arguing against someone being persecuted by simple association.
As I said, I agree with that - unless evidence of serious crimes comes up.
Maybe I prefaced it badly, but don't put words in my mouth.
My bad if I misread you, but I still think it is a pretty weird argument. Surely, the existence of holocaust museums has nothing at all to do with whether or not it's a good idea to prosecute this man. Maybe you meant: this is symbolic, maybe it'd have been a point worth making if people were very uninformed, but they're not and a good deal of attention is paid to it, citing ...
He lived a long time as a free man. Time to pay his dues.
What "dues" does he owe, and how are they paid by throwing a man in prison for the last couple years of his life?
But if that's the standard by which "civilized" people act, then that's fine. I hope to live long enough to see a 98 year-old retired pharmacist hanged for refusing to fill an Ivermectin prescription in 2020.
His dues? For being a good man and killing communists?
All anyone knows about history seems to be "muh Nazis bad".
The Soviets caused the Holodomr in the Ukraine less than 30 years before WWII. They systemically killed more than three times the number of people who were killed in the Holocaust and the whole operation was led by a Jew (Lazar).
If people are going to condemn a hundred year old man for fighting for his people, they'd better have the same attitude towards current day Jews genociding Palestians.
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This isn't an identity attack
There's definitely a couple problems with this. Figures from the holodomor range anywhere between 4-10 million, so this would even be more than twice the deaths in the holocaust, if you were only counting jews alone. It seems like the more closely accepted number is around five, which would be at least comparable. The greatest difference here would be scope, as one involved most of Europe, and the other involved Ukraine in particular. That could have an effect on per capita rates; but I doubt those would be useful because one has an international scope, and the other has a national scope.
And as AoV said, there is a disingenuous attempt to ignore the fact that the orders were still coming from Stalin.
All that being said, it's hard to tell if it is proper disinformation, so won't be removed.
Muh Soviets doesn't mean Nazis aren't bad.
It's come up many times that Ukrainian Nazis are torturing people to death, shooting fleeing civilians, and committing war crimes against POWs, but this dude is suddenly just "fighting for his people"... because he's more closely linked with Hitler's Nazis. LOL
Some of you may have been staring into the void too long.
edit: if you downvote me, you just hate Poles
No, I think those people started out being Nazis, and that they parasitically attach themselves to any community that allows free speech.
Less than 10 years actually. You don't sound particularly well informed.
How many?
"Lazar"? You on a first name basis with murderous communists, or is that the only part of the name you know? I assume you mean Lazar Kaganovich. It's funny that you blame everyone except "Joseph", the Georgian at the top.
This guy wasn't even from the Soviet part of Ukraine. He was born in Poland. And he was fighting for the people who were trying to exterminate Slavs in general. That's not "fighting for your people".
Genocide? Are you retarded?
You have more than a few screws loose.
Explain how killing conscripts in the Red Army and butchering Poles and Jews is 'killing communists'.
The multitude of Holocaust museums (including quite a number in the US) and half of the German nation suffering under Communism was never enough I reckon?
Nuremberg and additional trials of the time only convicted 179 people (with 37 of those being executed), but I guess we need to be hunting those who were SS members from a lifetime ago now? Statue of limitations, buddy.
(Edit: The number leaves out the other warcrime trials, like for Dachau etc, contemporary and long ex post facto, but it should be noted that a lot arrested didn't see trial)
I don't support prosecuting this man for mere affiliation with the SS, but are you seriously arguing that mass murderers should not be punished because some museums were erected to their crimes?
I didn't know that if 1/4 of Germans suffer under communism, that somehow pardons mass murders committed by Ukrainians. I guess Stalin is now pardoned because 100% of Germans and 40% of Soviets suffered under Nazism.
That's not what I was arguing. I was arguing against someone being persecuted by simple association.
Maybe I prefaced it badly, but don't put words in my mouth.
As I said, I agree with that - unless evidence of serious crimes comes up.
My bad if I misread you, but I still think it is a pretty weird argument. Surely, the existence of holocaust museums has nothing at all to do with whether or not it's a good idea to prosecute this man. Maybe you meant: this is symbolic, maybe it'd have been a point worth making if people were very uninformed, but they're not and a good deal of attention is paid to it, citing ...
You can't say this guy was simply "associated" when there are pictures of him with the regiment armed and reports of him participating in the battles.
Maybe the reports aren't accurate, but he wasn't the supply clerk.
Maybe something short of massacre of Polish civilians.