Note that is a rant and is not very coherent and I've not finished it yet. I'm forcing myself to complete it as I'm a fan of BG1 and 2 but is a chore to play.
There are people, including on this site, that are praising BG3 for role-playing along the lines "sure is woke but I can role-play how ever I want".
My experience is exactly the opposite. Just few things I noticed.
1.The dialogue options are not satisfactory.
I've showed no interest in the druid elf dude but he offers you sex despite barely speaking with him and you can't get mad at and say "you degenerate either leave my camp or die". In fact you can't tell any companion to leave the camp permanent. You can't even tell that to other people that show up in your camp.
There are a bunch of abrasive NPCs that you can't tell them, bitch either tone it down or there is going to be violence. Sometimes you get intimidation checks but this is not what I'm aiming at, but the proper response to a bitch that treats you like shit despite being a group of heavily armed individuals that should be known at one point.
There is no nuance to refugees, either you support it or you are evil. You have no reasonable path for them. The game also pushes "the poor refugees" angle like crazy. Even the druid dude says something along the lines of baldurs gate people deserve death for being reluctant to take in the refugees.
As an example, there are some refugees squatting in someone's house and you can't use money to buy them accommodations elsewhere or better yet, give them money and supplies and get the frell out of there, there is a freaking army heading their way. And of course they treat you like a monster if you chose to evict them.
I understand there are some shady things with the dude who owns the house but that is just further manipulation from the writers to make it reasonable for refugees to take over ones house without the owners permission.
The lesbo priestess of Selune and her lover are bitches in how they act towards the priestesses father sacrificing himself to save her from death. The avatar of female frequency smashes his head several times in anger, sure he kept her locked up but it was towards saving the one she supposedly loves. I should be able to point that out to them.
- Sometimes ignores your choices or tries to force "the right choice". I told the lesbos to not come to my camp but they came anyway. Why is my character ok with having them there against his will and no dialogue option later to talk about it?
There was another scene with Wyll trying to sneak in the camp to kill Karlach, I told him to leave and never return, frankly he should have died there but I was merciful. The game tries over and over to make you take him in your party despite not making any sense.
- Several times my character is acting gay against my will. I've never gave any indication of being interested in Gale but suddenly I can see my character throwing seductive looks towards him and then sitting right next to him. I would expect the gay action to happen only if you show interest.
The same with the emperor. I was 100% against him from the start but it does not stop my character to sit down and throw glances like we are best buds, including a strange scene with him with his shirt off. Again I told him he was a monster from the start, why is the monster flirting with me.
- Evil choices are not well thought off. For example, if you choose to give Nightsong to Lorroakan you get no reward despite being a contract and he mentions a huge reward. You can call on them later but that made 0 sense. And this happens in several quests.
In previous games the evil choice was designed to be tempting. Better rewards to test you as a player, was an interesting idea.
- The role-playing of some NPCs is just over the top. You get the 3 bad guys do a captain-planet summon and one of them is an edgy emo dude. You also get some over the top evil guys that are cartoonish evil with no depth or anything that would make them interesting.
I've seen NWN2 mods that had better NPC role playing then this game.
There are some nice one, Lae'zel and Shadowheart are surprisingly interesting and their reactions seem more natural for their personalities. I understand that Lae'zel wants to have sex with you but I must have missed that part.
You know why they don't do that? Because that would be presenting men in a positive light and they can't have that, men are always the bad guys now, especially if they're straight white men.
Specifically, they don't want to encourage heterosexual male bonding. Think Sam/Frodo in LOTR. To them, a man either needs to be on some woke girlboss's leash or gay.
Okay, I'm going to ruin this for you now, in the original books Sam was actually quite gay for Frodo and yes I've read the books, the studios toned that aspect of it down to make it more family friendly in the films. The girl at the end for example that Sam ends up marrying never existed in the books, she was entirely an invention of Hollywood.
You should probably read the books again then:
J.R.R.Tolkien, The Return Of The King: Being the Third Part of the Lord of the Rings (p. 151-152)
Brotherly love is one of the core themes of Tolkien.
>Ok Ok, LotR isn’t gay, but Isaac Newton and the Greeks DEFINITELY were!
Did I somehow get my hands on a weird version of the book? Because I don't remember that at all lol I'm not bullshitting either. Read a lot of fantasy books when I was younger. Could be misremembering to be fair.
Edit: It really is remarkable how on the internet you're not allowed to get things wrong sometimes which is why I end up sympathising sometimes with people these days.
Finally, someone else gets it.
This exact thing has been happening all over pretty much every .win community but most especially conpro and here. I've pointed the same thing out but your brevity really marked it for exactly what it is.
Oh please, no this is just me disagreeing and getting it wrong but apparently you can't take that.
Riiight the born again Christian J.R.R. Tolkien wrote gay characters. I bet he consulted his best friend C.S. Lewis after he completed The Screwtape Letters or Simple Christianity.
You're a fucking moron.
Not to be pedantic, but born again Christian is normally a descriptor of Protestants, and Tolkien was so Catholic he had the liturgy memorized in Latin and would recite it on the rare days he missed daily mass.
Most people who claim Frodo/Sam were gay never read the books and are fantasizing based on what happens in the movies, which have no homosexuality at all. It also shouldn't be surprising that a good number of us here have read the books.
It was specifically the stairs of Minas Morgul I'm thinking of, this is what people don't realise which is making me wonder now if I somehow managed to end up getting some weird edited edition if there were ones that had it changed. People don't realise I'm not trolling on this one lol or maybe I'm misinterpreting that as an almost gay scene because it seemed pretty gay to me at the time even when I was younger. At least when I read Shannara and the Serpentwar saga all of that was straight content. It is an old book so maybe it was just the writing style that weirded me out.
Hi there. I've owned the Lord of the Rings since before you were born.
Sam isn't gay in the books. That idea only arose because of Sean Astin's unfathomable overacting.
PO-TA-TOES!
Lol you are so full of shit it's hilarious
Today, in Bad Takes on Tolkien!
fuck with your retcon faggotry
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That is likely part of it, but I think that there are two other major factors as well. Firstly—as is frequently shown with lefties reinterpreting past literature and historical figures as gay—lefties have trouble with parsing deep platonic friendships, particularly between men, as anything other than homosexuality.
Secondly, and perhaps the first issue plays into why people write like this, is the rise of “playersexual.” Sure, it’s kind of nice that you can get romantic with whoever fits your RP (or your desire for titillation) but if every relationship is written so that the “max relationship status” is sex, then that means that no relationship will be written with an ultimate endpoint of “true brothers in arms.”
Game developers should make an option in character creation to lock in romance options such as normal, faggot, degenerate, or none. But i honestly doubt this will make the wokies happy that people can opt out of homosexual interaction.
No such thing as "faggot" as distinct from "degenerate"