Am I correct in reading "gaming" as gambling? I agree with you if that's the case. I'm generally against laws that are meant to protect retards from themselves, with kids obviously being an exception. Troonery is another exception, because we should ban adults from trooning out to enforce laws against public indecency and sexual deviancy.
For some reason we have a different word for this specific type of gambling, which is almost always "poker machines", or fruit machines/slot machines in other countries...
Here, those are called "pokies", and they are ubiquitous, in most of the country (in pubs and "clubs", which are... Hard to explain. Not nightclubs!), but very much especially in NSW...
Personally, I'm not a fan of states destroying industries (or, in this case, dealing them a death blow, after years of "lockouts", followed by "lockdowns" and all that bullshit), or making nanny state decisions like this one.
But I love that the average Labor voter thinks that banning dragons and coins from external signage will somehow help "those problem gamblers over there". Never them. Always the people they look down on.
Has any of them ever owned or managed a pub? Lol, are you fucking kidding?
Which I am not really a fan of, either. But some here may disagree.
Anyway, fuck this country. I'm so fucking sick of the state just randomly up and "deciding" shit like this. But hey. That's definitely not unique to Aus, of course.
This is tricky, of course we'd LIKE to believe that fully liberty is the virtue we should strive for and that everyone should be responsible for their actions but due to experience, we know the majority CAN'T handle that and need a hand to smack them into place when they start doing something dangerous.
The problem has always been the balance, we know how physically addictive tobacco or more nicotine is and how psychologically addictive gambling is yet we ignore other addictive issues like social media and parasocial relationships and extreme promiscuity (being a slut) because of who backs them and/or it helps their ideology.
Unless we came up with a test to see how much self responsibility a person has and from there what they have access to, I can't see a way around these kind of blanket rulings. The way they are implementing them is probably bullshit so I'll give you that.
I just don't see this as in any way effective in "stopping the issue" of problem gambling, and I also see it as inherent class war, both in that it will decimate the venues and the people employed by them, but more importantly, laws like this target the poor and disenfranchised, who a) won't be voting for this sort of thing, b) hold very little political power anyway, and c) should be free to make their own poor choices, whatever they may be (if legal, i.e. smoking, drinking, gambling), in regards to how they spend their money...
I don't necessarily agree with two out of your three paragraphs. But the middle one? Sure, I guess.
But no, I can't agree with what you say, sorry. I don't see it that way.
And yes, I accept that these things have consequences. But so does banning them. shrug
It would be better if there was a stigma against succumbing to your addictions and to have a focus on moderation being a virtue...
But the left has successfully eroded all forms of self responsibility on that 'the government should handle it' and some on the right and libertarians have gone too far in promoting absolute freedom over self moderation. Ironically the best people to exclaim these virtues may be old school Christians as everyone else is failing which is justifying these bans.
Yep. And a reversal would take some state peopled with such paragon of virtue with the will and force necessary to ensure compliance to virtue until such a point that it is naturally part of the culture again. Could be by force, could be through disincentive structures like cutting welfare, or incentive structures, could be over a short or long span of time, there's going to be a lot of pain either way. It'd be like making a guy with a decades long addiction to nicotine, alcohol, and opiods go cold turkey with all three simultaneously. (edit: And I don't think it's possible when the end goal for where culture should be is almost completely at odds with where it is. It's easier for a ship to turn several degrees than for it to turn 180 degrees)
OR, more likely, the current system with all its abundance giving people the leeway to live improperly with little risk to their own life and livelihood collapses and reality beats virtue back into everyone by sheer necessity.
We're essentially looking at the problem of how you rebuild a culture from the ground up and gl with that.
The subject of said song (former member of this same band) ended up killing himself, shortly after its release, partly over gambling debts/addiction, and also probably partly because of the way said band had treated him...
The song, and that context, summarises the complexity of this issue, and the difficulty of controlling/legislating around it, better than I ever could.
All a bit sad.
Here's another one, about a similar topic (i.e. Sydney pubs, pokies, etc.). "God" is a presumably homeless bloke. The Sando is the most iconic pub in Newtown, a famous suburb of Syd, that is now a fucking putt putt bar:
I'm generally not for the government banning anything. Although advertising is one area I'm iffy about, but if I got my choice for an advertising regulation it would be to prohibit advertising to kids. Also, if a ban on having to see TV commercials about erections and periods came around, I may not specifically say I'd support it, but I definitely wouldn't lift a finger to stop it.
Disgusting.
I agree with you, and I love to play poker.
Am I correct in reading "gaming" as gambling? I agree with you if that's the case. I'm generally against laws that are meant to protect retards from themselves, with kids obviously being an exception. Troonery is another exception, because we should ban adults from trooning out to enforce laws against public indecency and sexual deviancy.
Yes, gaming, in this context, = gambling.
For some reason we have a different word for this specific type of gambling, which is almost always "poker machines", or fruit machines/slot machines in other countries...
Here, those are called "pokies", and they are ubiquitous, in most of the country (in pubs and "clubs", which are... Hard to explain. Not nightclubs!), but very much especially in NSW...
Gambling used to be called "gaming" even in the USA.
I have an old Intellivision poster somewhere, and the casino games are explicitly called the "gaming" genre.
Also specifically gaming since it's retarded slots.
Personally, I'm not a fan of states destroying industries (or, in this case, dealing them a death blow, after years of "lockouts", followed by "lockdowns" and all that bullshit), or making nanny state decisions like this one.
But I love that the average Labor voter thinks that banning dragons and coins from external signage will somehow help "those problem gamblers over there". Never them. Always the people they look down on.
Has any of them ever owned or managed a pub? Lol, are you fucking kidding?
Anyway, it's essentially this: https://www.health.gov.au/topics/smoking-and-tobacco/tobacco-control/plain-packaging
"Plain packaging" for pubs, if you will.
Which I am not really a fan of, either. But some here may disagree.
Anyway, fuck this country. I'm so fucking sick of the state just randomly up and "deciding" shit like this. But hey. That's definitely not unique to Aus, of course.
This is tricky, of course we'd LIKE to believe that fully liberty is the virtue we should strive for and that everyone should be responsible for their actions but due to experience, we know the majority CAN'T handle that and need a hand to smack them into place when they start doing something dangerous.
The problem has always been the balance, we know how physically addictive tobacco or more nicotine is and how psychologically addictive gambling is yet we ignore other addictive issues like social media and parasocial relationships and extreme promiscuity (being a slut) because of who backs them and/or it helps their ideology.
Unless we came up with a test to see how much self responsibility a person has and from there what they have access to, I can't see a way around these kind of blanket rulings. The way they are implementing them is probably bullshit so I'll give you that.
I just don't see this as in any way effective in "stopping the issue" of problem gambling, and I also see it as inherent class war, both in that it will decimate the venues and the people employed by them, but more importantly, laws like this target the poor and disenfranchised, who a) won't be voting for this sort of thing, b) hold very little political power anyway, and c) should be free to make their own poor choices, whatever they may be (if legal, i.e. smoking, drinking, gambling), in regards to how they spend their money...
I don't necessarily agree with two out of your three paragraphs. But the middle one? Sure, I guess.
But no, I can't agree with what you say, sorry. I don't see it that way.
And yes, I accept that these things have consequences. But so does banning them. shrug
It would be better if there was a stigma against succumbing to your addictions and to have a focus on moderation being a virtue...
But the left has successfully eroded all forms of self responsibility on that 'the government should handle it' and some on the right and libertarians have gone too far in promoting absolute freedom over self moderation. Ironically the best people to exclaim these virtues may be old school Christians as everyone else is failing which is justifying these bans.
Yep. And a reversal would take some state peopled with such paragon of virtue with the will and force necessary to ensure compliance to virtue until such a point that it is naturally part of the culture again. Could be by force, could be through disincentive structures like cutting welfare, or incentive structures, could be over a short or long span of time, there's going to be a lot of pain either way. It'd be like making a guy with a decades long addiction to nicotine, alcohol, and opiods go cold turkey with all three simultaneously. (edit: And I don't think it's possible when the end goal for where culture should be is almost completely at odds with where it is. It's easier for a ship to turn several degrees than for it to turn 180 degrees)
OR, more likely, the current system with all its abundance giving people the leeway to live improperly with little risk to their own life and livelihood collapses and reality beats virtue back into everyone by sheer necessity.
We're essentially looking at the problem of how you rebuild a culture from the ground up and gl with that.
If you MUST have gambling, distribute it around all bars and clubs so that there aren't monolithic casinos.
At least it's just a ban on advertising.
This is a song (by a well-known left wing Sydney band), from 1999, about pretty much exactly this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7B49zI5UrAQ
The subject of said song (former member of this same band) ended up killing himself, shortly after its release, partly over gambling debts/addiction, and also probably partly because of the way said band had treated him...
The song, and that context, summarises the complexity of this issue, and the difficulty of controlling/legislating around it, better than I ever could.
All a bit sad.
Here's another one, about a similar topic (i.e. Sydney pubs, pokies, etc.). "God" is a presumably homeless bloke. The Sando is the most iconic pub in Newtown, a famous suburb of Syd, that is now a fucking putt putt bar:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dC52WFqlOP8
I'm generally not for the government banning anything. Although advertising is one area I'm iffy about, but if I got my choice for an advertising regulation it would be to prohibit advertising to kids. Also, if a ban on having to see TV commercials about erections and periods came around, I may not specifically say I'd support it, but I definitely wouldn't lift a finger to stop it.
Fuck the corrupt Aussie casinos
This isn’t about health. It’s about giving them a monopoly and crushing small competition. Guaranteed.
I wonder how difficult, paper-work-wise, it would be to say "I define my Wales-themed pub as a casino, so I can keep the flag of Wales on my wall".