ZERO reason for a mass inoculation campaign to include placebo lots
Actually it makes sense for ANY medicine given to everybody have some amount of placebos.
You can't run a trial for a whole lifetime to find some weird interaction because people need medicine now not in 100 years. You have to run it live in the herd and people can't know if they got placebo as that may affect their results.
You especially want placebos in an experimental new technology with no long-term data.
If some of mRNA vaccines were secretly placebos that would be maybe the most responsible thing drug companies did in the whole affair. The actual problem is if they aren't doing this with measles vaccines and everything else given to everybody.
edit: notice below how there's no answer to the question of how you determine harm in medicine given to everybody other than with placebo.
That’s like saying it’s perfectly fine to give 10% of nornal flu-vaccine patients saline to make sure the flu-vaccine “works” this year.
It’s either a life saving medicine or it’s not. It’d be one thing if it was voluntary and still marked as “experimental” - but that’s not what they did. They mandated it for everybody under threat of loss of livelihood to “stop the pandemic” and knew the vaccine didn’t work by giving out placebos to judge the reactions or did so because they knew it was harmful and routed the placebos to the political elite.
It doesn’t matter for which - in all cases it’s an outright violation of medical ethics, let alone a criminal act.
Also it’s NOT SCIENCE if they don’t know which people got the placebo!
If measles vaccine has some serious problem that develops over say 50 years or generationally, how do you find out about it if everybody is given measles vaccine?
You give some people placebos. Can you think of any other way? No, you can't.
You're presuming the drug companies don't know who got placebo. Even if that's the case, which it could be to avoid smoking-gun liability, that doesn't mean it's not science.
Everybody that got the vaccine was tracked with what batch number they got so any differential effect can be seen at the batch level without knowing which batches were placebo and which were not. This is how double-blind trials are done in fact; even the experimenters don't know which are real vs placebo.
That’s like saying it’s perfectly fine to give 10% of normal flu-vaccine patients saline to make sure the flu-vaccine “works” this year.
If the flu vaccine was given to everybody then yes, some placebos should be in there. It's not however, lots of people don't get a normal flu vaccine.
It doesn’t matter for which - in all cases it’s an outright violation of medical ethics, let alone a criminal act.
It would be criminal only because the masses are too dumb to understand why a control group is necessary in science.
"Everybody that got the vaccine was tracked with what batch number they got"
Do you not read? Statistical differences between batches are unexplained, the closer to how many got placebo indicates likelihood placebo explains the difference.
For instance if 30% of batches were placebo and 30% of batches had significantly higher deaths from covid, likely explanation is the vaccine works and those 30% anomalies got placebo.
It's stronger to know which batches are placebo, but not necessary. You don't seem to have any clue how science works. You can't answer the question of how to determine harm in medicine given to everybody because the answer - placebo- is counter to your wrong beliefs.
Actually it makes sense for ANY medicine given to everybody have some amount of placebos.
You can't run a trial for a whole lifetime to find some weird interaction because people need medicine now not in 100 years. You have to run it live in the herd and people can't know if they got placebo as that may affect their results.
You especially want placebos in an experimental new technology with no long-term data.
If some of mRNA vaccines were secretly placebos that would be maybe the most responsible thing drug companies did in the whole affair. The actual problem is if they aren't doing this with measles vaccines and everything else given to everybody.
edit: notice below how there's no answer to the question of how you determine harm in medicine given to everybody other than with placebo.
No - it doesn’t.
That’s like saying it’s perfectly fine to give 10% of nornal flu-vaccine patients saline to make sure the flu-vaccine “works” this year.
It’s either a life saving medicine or it’s not. It’d be one thing if it was voluntary and still marked as “experimental” - but that’s not what they did. They mandated it for everybody under threat of loss of livelihood to “stop the pandemic” and knew the vaccine didn’t work by giving out placebos to judge the reactions or did so because they knew it was harmful and routed the placebos to the political elite.
It doesn’t matter for which - in all cases it’s an outright violation of medical ethics, let alone a criminal act.
Also it’s NOT SCIENCE if they don’t know which people got the placebo!
If measles vaccine has some serious problem that develops over say 50 years or generationally, how do you find out about it if everybody is given measles vaccine?
You give some people placebos. Can you think of any other way? No, you can't.
You're presuming the drug companies don't know who got placebo. Even if that's the case, which it could be to avoid smoking-gun liability, that doesn't mean it's not science.
Everybody that got the vaccine was tracked with what batch number they got so any differential effect can be seen at the batch level without knowing which batches were placebo and which were not. This is how double-blind trials are done in fact; even the experimenters don't know which are real vs placebo.
If the flu vaccine was given to everybody then yes, some placebos should be in there. It's not however, lots of people don't get a normal flu vaccine.
It would be criminal only because the masses are too dumb to understand why a control group is necessary in science.
Again if you so stupidly believe that placebos are intentionally given out - HOW DO THEY TRACK IT?!
They kinda need that for their studies, dontcha think?
"Everybody that got the vaccine was tracked with what batch number they got"
Do you not read? Statistical differences between batches are unexplained, the closer to how many got placebo indicates likelihood placebo explains the difference.
For instance if 30% of batches were placebo and 30% of batches had significantly higher deaths from covid, likely explanation is the vaccine works and those 30% anomalies got placebo.
It's stronger to know which batches are placebo, but not necessary. You don't seem to have any clue how science works. You can't answer the question of how to determine harm in medicine given to everybody because the answer - placebo- is counter to your wrong beliefs.