If measles vaccine has some serious problem that develops over say 50 years or generationally, how do you find out about it if everybody is given measles vaccine?
You give some people placebos. Can you think of any other way? No, you can't.
You're presuming the drug companies don't know who got placebo. Even if that's the case, which it could be to avoid smoking-gun liability, that doesn't mean it's not science.
Everybody that got the vaccine was tracked with what batch number they got so any differential effect can be seen at the batch level without knowing which batches were placebo and which were not. This is how double-blind trials are done in fact; even the experimenters don't know which are real vs placebo.
That’s like saying it’s perfectly fine to give 10% of normal flu-vaccine patients saline to make sure the flu-vaccine “works” this year.
If the flu vaccine was given to everybody then yes, some placebos should be in there. It's not however, lots of people don't get a normal flu vaccine.
It doesn’t matter for which - in all cases it’s an outright violation of medical ethics, let alone a criminal act.
It would be criminal only because the masses are too dumb to understand why a control group is necessary in science.
"Everybody that got the vaccine was tracked with what batch number they got"
Do you not read? Statistical differences between batches are unexplained, the closer to how many got placebo indicates likelihood placebo explains the difference.
For instance if 30% of batches were placebo and 30% of batches had significantly higher deaths from covid, likely explanation is the vaccine works and those 30% anomalies got placebo.
It's stronger to know which batches are placebo, but not necessary. You don't seem to have any clue how science works. You can't answer the question of how to determine harm in medicine given to everybody because the answer - placebo- is counter to your wrong beliefs.
So what?! Unless the doctor's office returns the health status of EVERY PERSON IN COORDINATION WITH EVERY BATCH NUMBER that got a vaccine. Continually. It doesn't matter if they're "tracking batch numbers" because... they're not actually tracking batch numbers.
Batch numbers are just one point of data. For proper measurement there must be end recipient tracking.
You don't think all those CVS innoculations were tracked... do you?
"Everybody that got the vaccine was tracked with what batch number they got"
You're still missing the other part of the equation: how does Pfizer gain access to the medical records of the people receiving the vaccine/placebos if they never agreed to take part in a medical trial? Without the outcomes there is no data.
I like that you're hiding behind "science" though, as if invoking that word is sufficient justification for falsifying medical labels and committing fraud.
Do you have any evidence of mass placebo distribution outside of medical trials or is this just your schizo internet fantasy?
In most countries there's a national database of health records.
Pfizer can no doubt find a way to access these records, but they may not even care. The usefulness of having this evidence is when there are major problems that people will notice, but all Pfizer may care about is if they can use mRNA in future treatments without enough problem that people notice.
How is anything I've written "hiding" behind science? Can YOU answer the question of how to determine harm in medicine given to everybody? No, you can't.
And you can't because you're too cowardly to admit it'd have to be with a placebo.
If measles vaccine has some serious problem that develops over say 50 years or generationally, how do you find out about it if everybody is given measles vaccine?
You give some people placebos. Can you think of any other way? No, you can't.
You're presuming the drug companies don't know who got placebo. Even if that's the case, which it could be to avoid smoking-gun liability, that doesn't mean it's not science.
Everybody that got the vaccine was tracked with what batch number they got so any differential effect can be seen at the batch level without knowing which batches were placebo and which were not. This is how double-blind trials are done in fact; even the experimenters don't know which are real vs placebo.
If the flu vaccine was given to everybody then yes, some placebos should be in there. It's not however, lots of people don't get a normal flu vaccine.
It would be criminal only because the masses are too dumb to understand why a control group is necessary in science.
Again if you so stupidly believe that placebos are intentionally given out - HOW DO THEY TRACK IT?!
They kinda need that for their studies, dontcha think?
"Everybody that got the vaccine was tracked with what batch number they got"
Do you not read? Statistical differences between batches are unexplained, the closer to how many got placebo indicates likelihood placebo explains the difference.
For instance if 30% of batches were placebo and 30% of batches had significantly higher deaths from covid, likely explanation is the vaccine works and those 30% anomalies got placebo.
It's stronger to know which batches are placebo, but not necessary. You don't seem to have any clue how science works. You can't answer the question of how to determine harm in medicine given to everybody because the answer - placebo- is counter to your wrong beliefs.
So what?! Unless the doctor's office returns the health status of EVERY PERSON IN COORDINATION WITH EVERY BATCH NUMBER that got a vaccine. Continually. It doesn't matter if they're "tracking batch numbers" because... they're not actually tracking batch numbers.
Batch numbers are just one point of data. For proper measurement there must be end recipient tracking.
You don't think all those CVS innoculations were tracked... do you?
Veteran's Affairs, National Health Service, etc. There's TONS of data including batch numbers and outcomes.
You also didn't answer the big question. You have some great idea about how to determine harm in medicine given to everybody? Speak up, son.
You're still missing the other part of the equation: how does Pfizer gain access to the medical records of the people receiving the vaccine/placebos if they never agreed to take part in a medical trial? Without the outcomes there is no data.
I like that you're hiding behind "science" though, as if invoking that word is sufficient justification for falsifying medical labels and committing fraud.
Do you have any evidence of mass placebo distribution outside of medical trials or is this just your schizo internet fantasy?
In most countries there's a national database of health records.
Pfizer can no doubt find a way to access these records, but they may not even care. The usefulness of having this evidence is when there are major problems that people will notice, but all Pfizer may care about is if they can use mRNA in future treatments without enough problem that people notice.
How is anything I've written "hiding" behind science? Can YOU answer the question of how to determine harm in medicine given to everybody? No, you can't.
And you can't because you're too cowardly to admit it'd have to be with a placebo.