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[Essay] Auron MacIntyre: You Gotta Serve Somebody (archive.is)
posted 3 years ago by yvaN_ehT_nioJ 3 years ago by yvaN_ehT_nioJ +20 / -0
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– yvaN_ehT_nioJ [S] 14 points 3 years ago +14 / -0

On how separation of church and state turned wokeness into our national religion.

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– Assassin47 9 points 3 years ago +9 / -0

Looking forward to reading this after work, but I think codification of "Separation of church and state" (really after SCOTUS removed prayer from schools) was a symptom of already degrading culture. Things are bad in liberal European countries with no official separation of church and state as well. Pretty much everywhere people no longer follow the faith of their fathers.

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– bartbertbirtbortburt 9 points 3 years ago +9 / -0

codification of "Separation of church and state"

I'd like to add here, for those who don't know, that this is not a Constitutional concept, although courts and legislatures have sort of incorporated it in an ad hoc manner. Any sensible reading of the First Amendment would conclude that the Government is barred from intruding on religious matters; it does not automatically follow that the religious (or even religious institutions) are barred from civic matters. It is very unlikely that the Bill of Rights was somehow intended to be binding on "church" given that the whole point of the bill of rights was to place restrictions on government actors to the benefit of non-government actors.

"Separation of church and state" has served as a means to exclude people and ideas that are opposed by progressives from the public sphere. No one can explain to me why the moral theories of a Third wave feminists have a place in government but the moral traditions of the Christain West do not.

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– MassivePecorino 5 points 3 years ago +5 / -0

Moreover, the phrase "wall of separation between church and state" is from a response from Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury Baptist Association. One of the Founders was telling the leadership of a radical separatist sect that the government could not influence them, not the other way around.

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– bartbertbirtbortburt 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

Jefferson, more than any other founders, was a poster child for Enlightenment thinking. I suspect he would have been happy to see religion and church go the way of the dodo. However, I do think that what set Jefferson and his American colleagues apart from French revolutionaries was their recognition of the danger of the State, particularly one run by the mob. While the French gleefully torn down Chruch and Monarchy and went on a victory lap, the Americans understood that a democracy could suck too. So, while Jefferson probably would have preferred an enlightenment humanist society, he was too smart to think using the state to achieve this goal was a good idea.

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– MassivePecorino 4 points 3 years ago +4 / -0

Jefferson is a very odd bird with regard to religion. Very devout Deist, he actually came to blows with Paine, because Paine was an annoying atheist humanist. Even Madison acknowledged that our form of government requires religious people. "If men were angels..."

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– yvaN_ehT_nioJ [S] 9 points 3 years ago +9 / -0

True. I forget the details but I'm reminded of this guy who decades ago parachuted down from the ceiling of St. Peter's Basilica.

He was a removed but he couldn't be charged with a crime because what he did wasn't against the law of that area. It wasn't against the law because it hadn't even been contemplated. Now, because of that man, the Vatican has a law that covers parachuting.

When no one does something because everyone just knows not to do it of course you don't need a law codifying it. Call it shared culture, values, what have you. We don't have that anymore, and so everything must be codified.

A bandage over a gaping wound.

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– BetterNameUnfound 4 points 3 years ago +4 / -0

These barbaric genital-removal surgeries were never illegal because they didn't NEED to be made illegal.

We just knew.

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– acp_k2win 9 points 3 years ago +9 / -0

He is right but my contention is that public worship of faggotry isn't so much a religion in itself, but is a reinforcement of the rejection of Christianity (and other historical religions to a lesser extent).

The gay commies fundamental premise is that reality, and the society that is created by following the natural hierarchy, is a prison and the only way out is to burn it down.

The method they use isn't nuclear fire, but to create the conditions under which the most awful, incompetent, and delusional people control the levers of power and implement their retarded ideas until everything falls apart. While the evil people are in charge they will kill anyone who speaks out against the denial of reality.

After the collapse the few remaining good people will build on the ruins, and the gay commies will repeat the process until FINALLY there is nothing left to burn and they are "free".

It is a species-level suicide cult that can never admit its end goal to itself.

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– deleted 7 points 3 years ago +7 / -0

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