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[Essay] Auron MacIntyre: You Gotta Serve Somebody (archive.is)
posted 3 years ago by yvaN_ehT_nioJ 3 years ago by yvaN_ehT_nioJ +20 / -0
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– MassivePecorino 5 points 3 years ago +5 / -0

Moreover, the phrase "wall of separation between church and state" is from a response from Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury Baptist Association. One of the Founders was telling the leadership of a radical separatist sect that the government could not influence them, not the other way around.

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– bartbertbirtbortburt 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

Jefferson, more than any other founders, was a poster child for Enlightenment thinking. I suspect he would have been happy to see religion and church go the way of the dodo. However, I do think that what set Jefferson and his American colleagues apart from French revolutionaries was their recognition of the danger of the State, particularly one run by the mob. While the French gleefully torn down Chruch and Monarchy and went on a victory lap, the Americans understood that a democracy could suck too. So, while Jefferson probably would have preferred an enlightenment humanist society, he was too smart to think using the state to achieve this goal was a good idea.

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– MassivePecorino 4 points 3 years ago +4 / -0

Jefferson is a very odd bird with regard to religion. Very devout Deist, he actually came to blows with Paine, because Paine was an annoying atheist humanist. Even Madison acknowledged that our form of government requires religious people. "If men were angels..."

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