Whilst I am incredibly pro-gun, this has become such an annoying statement for me, for the very simple reason that America isn't doing anything about their tyrannical bullshit either. They supposedly have the means, but you're doing fuck all outside small individual cases (many of which are still condemned by the public thanks to state propaganda).
It's all good having the means, but without the will, what does it really matter? Yes, guns are still vitally important in those individual cases, but in my opinion these machoistic phrases do more to keep people complacent than it does to inspire any sort of action. And what's sadder, and a legitimate problem, is that any call to action is rightfully suspected of being various kinds of fedposting. A near perfect dynamic for those in power to do nearly anything they want so long as they don't move "too fast", complacent because people believe they still have the means, unwilling because any organisation is far too risky at being stomped down.
Coincidentally, this is why most accelerationists are very naive and short-sighted. Things have to get much MUCH worse before people will be willing to risk what they have, and gun owners are no different.
Yeah this is why I've repeatedly admonished the accelerationist crowd.
I can think of one time where acceleration led to an outcome that we'd consider an improvement, and that's America. I'm sure there are one or two more that I'm forgetting, but 99% of the time it leads to worse outcomes.
I don't hate the accelerationist crowd, I just believe them to be naive in just how bad and downtrodden people truly need to become. It's not enough for there to be blatant tyranny. Blatant tyranny is easy to maintain. The downtrodden need to have nothing left to lose and everything to gain. THAT is the problem with accelerationism: It needs to get to a point where it's practically over before a rebuilt can happen. And what's more, that rebuild will have ZERO control from accelerationists. Yeah, you might get something like early America. Just as likely to get any other number of results from various coups and revolutions.
Accelerationists have a very poor grasp of just how long the original colonists put up with British rule and just how much tyranny they accepted before they finally rebelled; even then it was a small percentage who actually fought.
I was catching up with a friend of mine who is member of the board for his church. After the tranny Nashville shooting, and talking about other church incidents, they discussed security. The resolution was "We know most of us are armed, we need to remind everyone to stay vigilant but we will have dedicated members working as security"
What was interesting is that conversation quickly turned to "When are we going to start shooting?" and had a very sincere and agreeable response. And, as he described it, the church is made of up "absolute normies" It was not a call to action, it was just a feeling that everyone is sick of things.
What I imagine is going to happen, and maybe soon, is some biker dad in Oklahoma is going to find out his son is being told to be a girl. He's going to go to the bar, tell his buddies about it, and take action. Or some guy will see, actually see, that he is now paying for other people's loans and go visit his bank. And then it's going to be open season.
There will be the usual media bullshit but people don't care anymore. I'm not an accelerationist and I don't think that's the way to handle things, but it seems to be trending that way. It doesn't need to get MUCH worse, for many people it already has.
What I imagine is going to happen, and maybe soon, is some biker dad in Oklahoma is going to find out his son is being told to be a girl. He's going to go to the bar, tell his buddies about it, and take action. Or some guy will see, actually see, that he is now paying for other people's loans and go visit his bank. And then it's going to be open season.
There will be the usual media bullshit but people don't care anymore
And I strongly disagree. There will be waves and waves of disagreement about his actions, about how he shouldn't have taken the matter into his own hands and followed the rules. Because yeah, NOW we look up to people like Gary Plauché, but this was YEARS later, and moreover, you don't see people going out and killing pedos even if their name is known. It's not open season just because one guy got fed up. There was general dismissal, condemnation at taking the laws into his own hands, but a QUIET agreement with what he did. There was no uprising caused by a public vigilante. This is a pipe dream. A fantasy. Do I want it to happen? Fuck yeah. But stop kidding yourself that you, or me, or whoever else reads this comment is going to rise up. Did you rise up with Jan 6? No. There was an opportunity for a boiling point. But you weren't going to risk your life for this.
It doesn't need to get MUCH worse, for many people it already has.
I think you misunderstand me: When I said "It needs to get much worse before people are willing to risk what they have", I'm emphasising that people have it so fucking good these days that they don't understand what's truly at risk. We keep getting tired comparisons to Nineteen-Eighty-Four, but the reality is that we're far closer to Brave New World with mass compliance due to an abundance of happy distractions. And it is compliance at the end of the day. Because most people, including the ones here (myself included), are absolutely complying with most things. Not everything, but enough that it isn't rocking the boat all that much. I wish I had the capacity to not comply with more. But I don't. Because I have shit that I am not prepared to lose. I'm willing to fight for it and protect it. I'm not willing to lose it by fighting.
And this is often the crux of so many that rightfully complain about modern society while doing very little about their own situation: They're always waiting for Someone Else™ to come along and solve their problems. Can't start a revolution? Someone Else™ will surely do it.
And the reality is that it simply won't happen. There will never be Someone Else™ to rally behind. There will never be that miraculous moment where the stars align and you'll get some golden invitation in the mail to join a revolution. There will be no martyr. Your best bet is to build your own communities and get involved at grass roots levels. And when I say this, I am explicitly NOT talking about revolutionary groups that are almost definitely going to be a honey pot. I'm talking about groups that are all about independence. About you being as reliant upon yourself and those you directly know as possible, and not on a faceless bureaucracy or corporate board. Shit like getting to know your neighbours and those in your direct community. Because the reality is that that will have more impact on YOUR life and YOUR situation than ever expecting Someone Else™ to come save us all.
I think there is going to be a rise in vigilantism. When that biker dad does something and there are 4 other similar incidents that happen immediately after, that the media and politicians try to paint in a bad light but the reasons why come out, it won't stop. Not all are going to look at biker dad, or a future Gary Plauché, and think "Oh yeah he's a hero" but people will understand things can happen. And when people really start to see why these events happen they will work to address the cause in their community. The way in which it will be addressed will happen in different ways.
I don't see a huge wave or collective group pulling a "revolution" or anything like that. More likely a bunch of local things happening that will cause a (local) domino effect.
There are a ton of people waiting for Someone Else™ and are stupidly comfortable. I think, however, the amount of people it takes to rock the boat is much smaller than you think.
It wasn't long ago I shared the same opinion as you. But doing the things you mention, getting to know my neighbors, my community, only sharing certain opinions with people I've known for 10+ years has shown me people are getting
really fed up. My friend and his church is another (yes anecdotal) example.
Joining up with any group that calls itself some revolutionary group is, yes, most definitely a honeypot. I'm big on self reliance and building out your own communities or groups but it's not like we all need to wear the same patch and have secret handshakes. In my experience people are saying "Fight your fight and we will back you with whatever we can" there is no true "organization"
I do agree with you that at its base a statement like "well at least we are still armed" is worthless. But I do see people, individuals, taking action in what ever way they see fit, and others siding with them. That quiet agreement will take form, one way or another.
Whilst I am incredibly pro-gun, this has become such an annoying statement for me, for the very simple reason that America isn't doing anything about their tyrannical bullshit either. They supposedly have the means, but you're doing fuck all outside small individual cases (many of which are still condemned by the public thanks to state propaganda).
It's all good having the means, but without the will, what does it really matter? Yes, guns are still vitally important in those individual cases, but in my opinion these machoistic phrases do more to keep people complacent than it does to inspire any sort of action. And what's sadder, and a legitimate problem, is that any call to action is rightfully suspected of being various kinds of fedposting. A near perfect dynamic for those in power to do nearly anything they want so long as they don't move "too fast", complacent because people believe they still have the means, unwilling because any organisation is far too risky at being stomped down.
Coincidentally, this is why most accelerationists are very naive and short-sighted. Things have to get much MUCH worse before people will be willing to risk what they have, and gun owners are no different.
Totally agree - that and calling everyone who isn't 100% with you "controlled opposition" are two of the most frustrating things to read in this place
Sad thing is that I've seen actual controlled opposition get a blind eye treatment. Real annoying.
Yeah this is why I've repeatedly admonished the accelerationist crowd.
I can think of one time where acceleration led to an outcome that we'd consider an improvement, and that's America. I'm sure there are one or two more that I'm forgetting, but 99% of the time it leads to worse outcomes.
I don't hate the accelerationist crowd, I just believe them to be naive in just how bad and downtrodden people truly need to become. It's not enough for there to be blatant tyranny. Blatant tyranny is easy to maintain. The downtrodden need to have nothing left to lose and everything to gain. THAT is the problem with accelerationism: It needs to get to a point where it's practically over before a rebuilt can happen. And what's more, that rebuild will have ZERO control from accelerationists. Yeah, you might get something like early America. Just as likely to get any other number of results from various coups and revolutions.
Accelerationists have a very poor grasp of just how long the original colonists put up with British rule and just how much tyranny they accepted before they finally rebelled; even then it was a small percentage who actually fought.
I was catching up with a friend of mine who is member of the board for his church. After the tranny Nashville shooting, and talking about other church incidents, they discussed security. The resolution was "We know most of us are armed, we need to remind everyone to stay vigilant but we will have dedicated members working as security"
What was interesting is that conversation quickly turned to "When are we going to start shooting?" and had a very sincere and agreeable response. And, as he described it, the church is made of up "absolute normies" It was not a call to action, it was just a feeling that everyone is sick of things.
What I imagine is going to happen, and maybe soon, is some biker dad in Oklahoma is going to find out his son is being told to be a girl. He's going to go to the bar, tell his buddies about it, and take action. Or some guy will see, actually see, that he is now paying for other people's loans and go visit his bank. And then it's going to be open season.
There will be the usual media bullshit but people don't care anymore. I'm not an accelerationist and I don't think that's the way to handle things, but it seems to be trending that way. It doesn't need to get MUCH worse, for many people it already has.
And I strongly disagree. There will be waves and waves of disagreement about his actions, about how he shouldn't have taken the matter into his own hands and followed the rules. Because yeah, NOW we look up to people like Gary Plauché, but this was YEARS later, and moreover, you don't see people going out and killing pedos even if their name is known. It's not open season just because one guy got fed up. There was general dismissal, condemnation at taking the laws into his own hands, but a QUIET agreement with what he did. There was no uprising caused by a public vigilante. This is a pipe dream. A fantasy. Do I want it to happen? Fuck yeah. But stop kidding yourself that you, or me, or whoever else reads this comment is going to rise up. Did you rise up with Jan 6? No. There was an opportunity for a boiling point. But you weren't going to risk your life for this.
I think you misunderstand me: When I said "It needs to get much worse before people are willing to risk what they have", I'm emphasising that people have it so fucking good these days that they don't understand what's truly at risk. We keep getting tired comparisons to Nineteen-Eighty-Four, but the reality is that we're far closer to Brave New World with mass compliance due to an abundance of happy distractions. And it is compliance at the end of the day. Because most people, including the ones here (myself included), are absolutely complying with most things. Not everything, but enough that it isn't rocking the boat all that much. I wish I had the capacity to not comply with more. But I don't. Because I have shit that I am not prepared to lose. I'm willing to fight for it and protect it. I'm not willing to lose it by fighting.
And this is often the crux of so many that rightfully complain about modern society while doing very little about their own situation: They're always waiting for Someone Else™ to come along and solve their problems. Can't start a revolution? Someone Else™ will surely do it.
And the reality is that it simply won't happen. There will never be Someone Else™ to rally behind. There will never be that miraculous moment where the stars align and you'll get some golden invitation in the mail to join a revolution. There will be no martyr. Your best bet is to build your own communities and get involved at grass roots levels. And when I say this, I am explicitly NOT talking about revolutionary groups that are almost definitely going to be a honey pot. I'm talking about groups that are all about independence. About you being as reliant upon yourself and those you directly know as possible, and not on a faceless bureaucracy or corporate board. Shit like getting to know your neighbours and those in your direct community. Because the reality is that that will have more impact on YOUR life and YOUR situation than ever expecting Someone Else™ to come save us all.
I think there is going to be a rise in vigilantism. When that biker dad does something and there are 4 other similar incidents that happen immediately after, that the media and politicians try to paint in a bad light but the reasons why come out, it won't stop. Not all are going to look at biker dad, or a future Gary Plauché, and think "Oh yeah he's a hero" but people will understand things can happen. And when people really start to see why these events happen they will work to address the cause in their community. The way in which it will be addressed will happen in different ways.
I don't see a huge wave or collective group pulling a "revolution" or anything like that. More likely a bunch of local things happening that will cause a (local) domino effect.
There are a ton of people waiting for Someone Else™ and are stupidly comfortable. I think, however, the amount of people it takes to rock the boat is much smaller than you think.
It wasn't long ago I shared the same opinion as you. But doing the things you mention, getting to know my neighbors, my community, only sharing certain opinions with people I've known for 10+ years has shown me people are getting really fed up. My friend and his church is another (yes anecdotal) example.
Joining up with any group that calls itself some revolutionary group is, yes, most definitely a honeypot. I'm big on self reliance and building out your own communities or groups but it's not like we all need to wear the same patch and have secret handshakes. In my experience people are saying "Fight your fight and we will back you with whatever we can" there is no true "organization"
I do agree with you that at its base a statement like "well at least we are still armed" is worthless. But I do see people, individuals, taking action in what ever way they see fit, and others siding with them. That quiet agreement will take form, one way or another.