Unironically what it's probably going to take and what may well happen. No matter what they and their simps say, the vast majority of women will fall in line when pushed into it by truly strong and authoritative men, and in fact the louder they bitch about being stronk independent girlbosses who don't need no man, the more likely they are to secretly crave male domination or straight up have rape fantasies.
Twilight & 50 Shades were mega-hits despite our age being one where feminism had been ascendant for almost a century with no significant reverses. Hell, history shows as much: during the Spanish Civil War the Nationalists had a habit of stripping anarchist milicianas and making them drink castor oil so they'd have to crawl around naked & shit themselves in public, and yet those supposed revolutionary girlbosses didn't choose to fight to the death or go to a mass grave (as plenty of Republican men did) to avoid such indignity. Most just bowed to Franco's regime and became meek tradwives or at least inoffensive spinsters in the decades which followed!
I do believe that once a critical mass of conservative young men come of age and decide to tear the incumbent rotten system asunder, the women will roll out the welcome mat for them. They're gonna give as much of a shit about any soy elemental simp claiming to fight for said system and their supposed rights as those milicianas did about their menfolk or, indeed, the pre-Indo-European matriarchs did when the Indo-Europeans rolled in at the start of the Bronze Age (hence the often-radical changes in European genetics from the latter's invasion onward, they routinely killed the pre-Indo-European men and took the women, and also passed property & titles down strictly patrilineally) - none at all.
and yet those supposed revolutionary girlbosses didn't choose to fight to the death or go to a mass grave
Next you'll tell me all the women of France weren't super secret double agents working for the Resistance against the Nazis, getting raped for the greater good to stay alive and continue their Mega Awesome Spy Activities. Who would ever guess women would sell out their country, men, and every principle/dignity just to preserve their lives by serving the enemy?
"Women understand their value, and will attempt to survive by placating the person who has already captured them."
And running it to Imp's position of:
"Women's only goal is to murder their husbands, sons, and fathers, then have their daughters be raped. This is their goal in life, and they support their rapists and favor rape."
Stop.
Women do not want to be raped. Women do not support themselves being raped.
There is a major distinction between explicitly mentally ill Leftist women who are fetishizing rape fantasies because they've been groomed and abused by the Left, and are responding with a coping mechanism to a lack of masculinity in their lives, is not an inherent feature of women.
Women do fight, women do resist, and women do try to defend their children and families. They also tend to attack women whom collaborate. See the "Liberation of Paris" for what happens when women target women who collaborated with the Nazis.
As others have already noted, women are more susceptible to authoritarianism and emotional manipulation. This also applies to torture. Men are not a sex of slaves, simply because men can be enslaved, abused, humiliated, and owned with the appropriate amount of psychological abuse. Women being intentionally kept alive because of their value as mothers, and then being tortured into submission, is not evidence of women wanting that to happen to them.
It's discussions like this where we have to bring back the old ideas of the id and the ego, or lizard-brain as it seems to be called now.
Everything you're talking about is happening at the ego level. That's irrelevant. The ego level is an unreliable narrator that will perform whatever gymnastics are necessary to restore what Clarey calls "perfect mental state".
When we talk about wants, we're really talking about the id level.
"Women's only goal is to murder their husbands, sons, and fathers, then have their daughters be raped. This is their goal in life, and they support their rapists and favor rape."
Its amazing you took what I said and ran it to this wild of a position. Good job rush to their aid when someone implies they might not be perfect heroes as the narratives paint them.
Its almost a perfect encapsulation of how Feminism has managed to succeed for so long that it became Intersectionality and from there The Woke:
I think women are flawed and painting themselves in a better life than reality at times
Oh so you think women are evil monsters who enjoy rape and scheme to hurt men?!
I've been doing this for longer than Imp's been alive. You aren't going to make me feel bad about being an ebil misogynist.
I didn't say they enjoyed being raped. I said they were raped because they were unwilling to fight to the death, and losing dignity and principles was worth prolonging their lives, only to then have history pretend they were doing it "for the cause."
But I said meanie things about women, so you skipped by all that to try and scare me by comparing me to Imp.
Unironically what it's probably going to take and what may well happen. No matter what they and their simps say, the vast majority of women will fall in line when pushed into it by truly strong and authoritative men, and in fact the louder they bitch about being stronk independent girlbosses who don't need no man, the more likely they are to secretly crave male domination or straight up have rape fantasies.
Twilight & 50 Shades were mega-hits despite our age being one where feminism had been ascendant for almost a century with no significant reverses. Hell, history shows as much: during the Spanish Civil War the Nationalists had a habit of stripping anarchist milicianas and making them drink castor oil so they'd have to crawl around naked & shit themselves in public, and yet those supposed revolutionary girlbosses didn't choose to fight to the death or go to a mass grave (as plenty of Republican men did) to avoid such indignity. Most just bowed to Franco's regime and became meek tradwives or at least inoffensive spinsters in the decades which followed!
I do believe that once a critical mass of conservative young men come of age and decide to tear the incumbent rotten system asunder, the women will roll out the welcome mat for them. They're gonna give as much of a shit about any soy elemental simp claiming to fight for said system and their supposed rights as those milicianas did about their menfolk or, indeed, the pre-Indo-European matriarchs did when the Indo-Europeans rolled in at the start of the Bronze Age (hence the often-radical changes in European genetics from the latter's invasion onward, they routinely killed the pre-Indo-European men and took the women, and also passed property & titles down strictly patrilineally) - none at all.
Next you'll tell me all the women of France weren't super secret double agents working for the Resistance against the Nazis, getting raped for the greater good to stay alive and continue their Mega Awesome Spy Activities. Who would ever guess women would sell out their country, men, and every principle/dignity just to preserve their lives by serving the enemy?
Dude, you're taking a basic fact of:
"Women understand their value, and will attempt to survive by placating the person who has already captured them."
And running it to Imp's position of:
"Women's only goal is to murder their husbands, sons, and fathers, then have their daughters be raped. This is their goal in life, and they support their rapists and favor rape."
Stop.
Women do not want to be raped. Women do not support themselves being raped.
There is a major distinction between explicitly mentally ill Leftist women who are fetishizing rape fantasies because they've been groomed and abused by the Left, and are responding with a coping mechanism to a lack of masculinity in their lives, is not an inherent feature of women.
Women do fight, women do resist, and women do try to defend their children and families. They also tend to attack women whom collaborate. See the "Liberation of Paris" for what happens when women target women who collaborated with the Nazis.
As others have already noted, women are more susceptible to authoritarianism and emotional manipulation. This also applies to torture. Men are not a sex of slaves, simply because men can be enslaved, abused, humiliated, and owned with the appropriate amount of psychological abuse. Women being intentionally kept alive because of their value as mothers, and then being tortured into submission, is not evidence of women wanting that to happen to them.
It's discussions like this where we have to bring back the old ideas of the id and the ego, or lizard-brain as it seems to be called now.
Everything you're talking about is happening at the ego level. That's irrelevant. The ego level is an unreliable narrator that will perform whatever gymnastics are necessary to restore what Clarey calls "perfect mental state".
When we talk about wants, we're really talking about the id level.
Its amazing you took what I said and ran it to this wild of a position. Good job rush to their aid when someone implies they might not be perfect heroes as the narratives paint them.
Its almost a perfect encapsulation of how Feminism has managed to succeed for so long that it became Intersectionality and from there The Woke:
I've been doing this for longer than Imp's been alive. You aren't going to make me feel bad about being an ebil misogynist.
I didn't say they enjoyed being raped. I said they were raped because they were unwilling to fight to the death, and losing dignity and principles was worth prolonging their lives, only to then have history pretend they were doing it "for the cause."
But I said meanie things about women, so you skipped by all that to try and scare me by comparing me to Imp.