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Folks, the original subreddit that discussed the inner-workings of Reddit's participants (media.communities.win)
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– user20461 26 points 3 years ago +26 / -0

No sense in trying to reason with them or get them to reflect on their own actions, these "people" aren't human and therefore can't be reasoned with.

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– smokeypanda [S] 19 points 3 years ago +19 / -0

There was a line in Ender's Shadow about how you can't accure power by begging to those who have it. If I ever get around to making a proper Reddit successor, I will spend countless sleepness nights making sure these parasites are confined to the room they made a mess of.

Edit: From the opening chapter, "Because these fools always look up for power. People above you, they never want to share power with you. Why you look to them? They give you nothing. People below you, you give them hope, you give them respect, they give you power, cause they don't think they have any, so they don't mind giving it up." Power is both bottm-up and top-down, but not bottom-up in the "fight the power, we oh so radical" LARP sense you get from Tom Morello.

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– Adamrises 5 points 3 years ago +5 / -0

There was a line in Ender's Shadow about how you can't accure power by begging to those who have it.

The entire history of women's rights shows this is false. They just whined until they were given enough power that they are currently able to drag our world to hell on their whims.

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– IfThatIsWhatYouThunk 13 points 3 years ago +13 / -0

Feminism was only allowed to succeed because it benefits those in power. Turning people on each other based off of gender has proven to be a really good method of divide and conquer. If feminism didn't benefit those in power, it would've been shut down quicker than Occupy Wall Street.

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– Adamrises 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

And yet women managed to gain considerable power just by begging for it, and plenty of men who weren't at the elite top gave it to them all the same.

The world isn't just "elites and the rest."

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– SR388-SAX 4 points 3 years ago +4 / -0

You're assuming that women didn't have "power." I would argue that women have always had power, and the problems we're having now is that we've dismantled nearly all checks on female power.

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– Adamrises 4 points 3 years ago +4 / -0

Their power was indirect. They had control over those with power, but attempting to leverage it outright and directly would be stilted heavily. So they needed to work through their husbands, fathers, etc. Their gaining of power was them seizing the ability remove that individual element, and instead leverage society as a whole as their new daddy with little restraint on what whims would move into action.

To deny that change is to deny that being able to open a pickle jar with your barehand instead of a gripper tool isn't an increase of power. Regardless of the result being equal.

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– smokeypanda [S] 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

One thing to always keep in mind is how an human behavior is predominately governed by individuals acting in their own interest. Furthermore, a characteristic grouping people together, namely race, sex, or class, does not imply that individuals of a category work towards a common interest or support each other. Another comment correctly notes that women have always had some power, how much depending on circumstance.

The quote applies pretty well with that context, part of the explanation of how many women find themselves miserable situations, either of their own making or decided by previous generations' (both genders) policies and attitudes. "Powerful men" didn't bequeath power onto all women, some powerful men and women outmaneuvered other powerful persons by duping commoners into accepting a phony, dysfunctional equality and using that momentum as ammunition.

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– Adamrises 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

Individuals acting in their own interest can make changes on the behalf of the group, so I don't know what that entire paragraph is trying to get to. Feminists, in this case, changed the playing field for all women despite being a minority of them. Also, someone having power already doesn't preclude them from getting more power.

Powerful men" didn't bequeath power onto all women

They literally did though. Powerful men in government and elite positions granted them legal power and protections to break them of their social chains (thereby granting them social power too), which they accrued entirely by whining loudly until they were uplifted. Even the parts that didn't require powerful men directly bequeathing it, like slut shaming, was accomplished by crying to men to stop doing it until they did. Just because they couldn't handle that power and it backfired horribly on most doesn't mean they lack it, nor does the fact that many of them choose to not use said weapons make them powerless.

You are speaking in flowerly vague terms to try and hold your point as 100% true in all cases possible, when a concrete example shows that its only usually true. I don't mean this to sound as aggressive as it does, but it was hard to even grasp what you were trying to say.

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– You_Are_Based 4 points 3 years ago +4 / -0

I'm not a lefty socialist but Morello's fakery still pisses me off. I suppose I should wish they were all like that, though, bc then we could shut down communism simply by ruining expensive coffee shop culture.

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– deleted 15 points 3 years ago +15 / -0

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