Fuck rino desantis, he has the bushes, paul ryab, s0r0s, and other globalist rinos with him. hes worse than bush in how fake he is. He showed his true colors last week when he sided with a communist da making up absurd bullshit to try and arrestr trump for no reason. He didnt anything to disney
You will get 4 more years of Biden if Trump is the nominee.
Most Americans have shown that they will prefer anyone else other than Trump which is why the majority of the country is willing to stomach anything to vote against him and his endorsed candidates.
Most people in America are not against Trump's policy positions, they just vehemently hate the man himself.
Nominate Trump again and we will lose.
It is pretty simple.
A RDS presidency would be eons better than a Biden presidency yet I see OnlyTrumpers foolishly scream Trump or bust.
Preventing a Biden second term and saving the country is worth more than propping Trump up again.
Go take a look at every election after 2016. Republicans have lost in key swing states of PA, AZ, Wi, MI and GA thanks to Trump and his endorsed candidates.
Trump has a dedicated cult who make a portion of the Republican base but that is not enough to win swing states or the Presidency again.
The media tries to demonize every right wing candidate but Trump is unique in the sense that he constantly shoots himself in the foot with terrible phrasing and confirming people's pre-existing biases against him.
They can try to demonize DeSantis but he will not give them ammo like Trump does constantly.
If you are not even an American than you should be more humble about American politics. You clearly don't understand the key issues here.
You are arguing that Trump is entitled to be the nominee because "muh stolen election."
Even by your logic, he had it stolen when he was the incumbent. How is he "stopping the steal" this time as the challenger?
Nothing has changed in the swing states with regards to increased election integrity.
Trump's endorsed candidates lost all of the the key governorship races in 2022. We could have had increased election integrity in some swing states if he didn't endorse candidates like Mastriano, Dixon and Lake.
Trump will never become President again. Accept reality.
Being cheated out doesnt mean they lost legitally.
Your rino hero desantis was endorsed by s0r0s and paul ryan, 2 of the worst scum on earth. Theres a reason the establishment loves rino vermin like desantis
Had Trump actually done much I'd be saying "we can't let the Left's propaganda keep us on the defensive", but he didn't and strategically it makes more sense to force the Left to set up a whole new propaganda campaign for DeSantis (which they can't because the institutions they've corrupted to do so have pissed a lot of trust away) rather than just continue feeding off their pre-built TDS for zero benefit.
Yeah, as a general rule if you want to know what a politician is going to do with power you vote them into, you ignore every word out of their mouth and look at what they've actually done with power in the past.
Trump's presidency was pathetic and feeble, he pussied out and compromised on things there should be no compromise on (electoral fraud, medical autonomy), flapped his hands and did nothing concrete on many urgent issues, (educational brainwashing, parental rights and a corrupt, biased judicial system, deadly political violence against his voter base) and repeatedly delegated power to whichever backstabbing rats flattered him the most. Talking tough and starting verbal shit on twitter is good enough when you're working from the outside, but once you're elected if you're still focusing on bitching to the electorate on social media instead of utilizing all the levers of real power now available to you, then you're either a retard or a charlatan.
My take is the man has proven to be a whipped pussy who would happily throw his supporters in front of bullets, but runs like a little bitch if the deep state hinted at personal consequences for himself. They tolerated him talking shit on twitter to keep his base from getting wild, but either he never meant a word he said, he was too pussy to even try making decisive executive action, or he tried and folded like a bitch in the behind-closed-doors stage when the real threats came. Because he only did something to back up his talk a small handful of times in 4 years.
DeSantis, whatever neocon associations he has and questionable statements he has made, has already done things on a state level what trump should have done on a federal level. If DeSantis simply repeated what he has done with the Florida education system in removing antagonistic administrators and dismantling their perverse brainwashing systems, that alone would be a definite improvement on Trump's entire presidency.
If DeSantis runs he will win because many who voted Trump the first two times did it holding our noses.
If Trump manages to win the nomination it would be insane to vote Biden against him, given the last four years of sheer insanity and creeping authoritarianism.
Trump surrounds himself with snakes like Lindsay Graham as his advisors and he staffs his 2024 campaign with idiots like Seb Gorka, Alex Bruesewitz, Roger Stone and the worst moron I have seen yet, Paul Ingrassia.
Trump 2024 campaign's Paul Ingrassia actually has the audacity to claim that Trump can win a 49 state landslide victory like Nixon and Reagan. No candidate in either party can get close to those landslides because the country is much more polarized. This is electoral politics 101 knowledge and this Ingrassia clown doesn't realize it.
Trump would be lucky to repeat his 2020 map in 2024 if he is the nominee. Hell he potentially will lose two key states he won before in 2024.
NC and TX are truly at risk for him if he keeps playing J6 footage on the jumbotron like he did at the Waco rally yesterday or if he picks a divisive hysteric like MTG or Kari Lake as his V.P. Trump is sadly speed running how to alienate swing independent voters.
I hope Trump is not the nominee but God forbid if he becomes the nominee, he needs to stop playing that J6 footage and refrain from picking MTG or Lake as his V.P. Those moves would decimate the Republican nominees even in the down ballot races.
Trump surrounds himself with snakes like Lindsay Graham as his advisors
He doesn't listen to them though. Unfortunately, DeSantis backtracked somewhat on his anti-neocon position and started repeating childish slogans like "Putin is a war criminal" and Graham's mentor McCain's "Russia is a gas station".
His position remains the same. He is against U.S. intervention
He condemned Putin even when the whole thing started last year. He said it now again and said the gas station line because like it or not that position plays well with the median general election voter.
Our very small board generally contains people who would fit on the most right wing slice of the entire American electorate. DeSantis can't win any national election by solely pandering to people here.
The anti-war, isolationist, non-interventionist position is the one aspect of populism that appeals to pretty much everyone outside the elite, even across party lines, and yet it is the first one that DeSantis seems to have backpedaled on. Whatever he's doing, it's the opposite of trying to appeal to the mainstream voter. A significant amount of Trump's continued popularity stems from the fact that he is the only President in the past century who didn't involve the US in yet another war, and actually took steps to end ongoing military involvement overseas.
He condemned Putin even when the whole thing started last year. He said it now again and said the gas station line because like it or not that position plays well with the median general election voter.
I don't mind the gas station line, though very childish, because he used it as a reason to not want to escalate. What does concern me is where he gets this sort of stuff.
Our very small board generally contains people who would fit on the most right wing slice of the entire American electorate. DeSantis can't win any national election by solely pandering to people here.
You underestimate GOP primary voters. If he's going to win the primary, he has to not be a neocon. I was hoping the primary would become a race between who would be the most anti-neocon and anti-woke. Unfortunately, it seems that DeSantis is not challenging Trump for the crown on that one.
Trump is running to DeSantis's left when it comes to still defending lockdowns, bragging about the vax and praising Democrats like Charlie Crist.
Bad news for you -- I listened to his Waco rally the other day and he didn't bring up the vax and shit all over lockdowns and the governers who implemented them "when they weren't forced to".
May be slight revisionist history but it really doesn't matter. DeSantis has no shot against Trump without some monumental blunder by Trump.
Trump is running to DeSantis's left when it comes to still defending lockdowns, bragging about the vax and praising Democrats like Charlie Crist.
That Crist stuff is retarded and he really needs to cut it out.
However, bragging about the vaccine is just good GE politics, which you earlier accepted as a reason.
The race is between a constitutional conservative who knows how to win and a narcissistic man with his own cult.
DeSantis got no more than Marco Rubio. By that logic, Rubio is the man.
That said, DeSantis has been a very, very, very good governor. In 2008 or 2012 anyone supporting either Trump or DeSantis would be absolutely thrilled with the other guy.
It should be a very simple choice but we have more Trump cultists in the base than I would ever like.
Rather few actually. The only one I've seen is the Imp.
DeSantis went from a 0.4 win in 2018 to winning by 19.4 points in 2022. That is a feat that only one governor in recent history has achieved. He has terra-formed a swing state into a solid red state.
He is much more capable of winning a national election against Biden than Donald Trump ever could dream of.
Trump brags about the COVID vaccine because be genuinely believes that it was his greatest achievement. He is deluded enough to believe that.
A majority of Republican voters hate Putin. A majority of Republican voters vehemently hate the COVID vaccine. These two issues are not the same in viscerity.
Ron's statements won't hurt him in the primary nearly as much as Trump's bragging about the vax will hurt him in the primary.
I am not thrilled with Trump because he will lose 2024. The candidates in 2008 and 2012 fucking lost. Making any allusion to 2008 and 2012 is pointless.
I want to nominate the candidate that has a shot of winning. The presidency is no lock for even DeSantis. Beating an incumbent President is difficult. It is possible for DeSantis but impossible for Trump.
Trump lost with incumbency advantage and he has managed to alienate even more people since the last time.
How is Trump going to convince some people who voted for Biden in 2020 to switch? By playing J6 videos on the Jumbtron in his campaign rallies? By picking MTG or Kari Lake as his V.P.
Republicans will suffer a devastating loss if Trump is nominated again.
DeSantis went from a 0.4 win in 2018 to winning by 19.4 points in 2022. That is a feat that only one governor in recent history has achieved. He has terra-formed a swing state into a solid red state.
I can almost guarantee you that you can find similar instances. The difference being is that DeSantis also governed in a great manner, rather than being wishy-washy if you will.
A majority of Republican voters hate Putin. A majority of Republican voters vehemently hate the COVID vaccine. These two issues are not the same in viscerity.
Right, but you were talking about the GE.
Ron's statements won't hurt him in the primary nearly as much as Trump's bragging about the vax will hurt him in the primary.
Possibly. But that is stupid, because the vaccine is in the past, whereas neoconism can be extended in the future.
I want to nominate the candidate that has a shot of winning. The presidency is no lock for even DeSantis. Beating an incumbent President is difficult. It is possible for DeSantis but impossible for Trump.
I think you greatly overestimate that senile idiot. Unless there's another coronavirus and he can hide in his basement for the entire campaign, he will embarrass himself until people realize that he is not in a position to be responsible for anything.
Trump lost with incumbency advantage and he has managed to alienate even more people since the last time.
This is nothing out of the ordinary in political campaigns.
It's actually a pretty shrewd move.
You make people decide early instead of giving them a chance to play both sides, which politicians love doing.
Trump used a blunder by DeSantis to essentially push him out of the race.
Fuck rino desantis, he has the bushes, paul ryab, s0r0s, and other globalist rinos with him. hes worse than bush in how fake he is. He showed his true colors last week when he sided with a communist da making up absurd bullshit to try and arrestr trump for no reason. He didnt anything to disney
You are a mentally ill retard guzzling Trump cum and peddling complete falsehoods.
Hows s0r0s sack taste Bragg?
You will get 4 more years of Biden if Trump is the nominee.
Most Americans have shown that they will prefer anyone else other than Trump which is why the majority of the country is willing to stomach anything to vote against him and his endorsed candidates.
Most people in America are not against Trump's policy positions, they just vehemently hate the man himself.
Nominate Trump again and we will lose.
It is pretty simple.
A RDS presidency would be eons better than a Biden presidency yet I see OnlyTrumpers foolishly scream Trump or bust.
Preventing a Biden second term and saving the country is worth more than propping Trump up again.
Go take a look at every election after 2016. Republicans have lost in key swing states of PA, AZ, Wi, MI and GA thanks to Trump and his endorsed candidates.
Trump has a dedicated cult who make a portion of the Republican base but that is not enough to win swing states or the Presidency again.
The media tries to demonize every right wing candidate but Trump is unique in the sense that he constantly shoots himself in the foot with terrible phrasing and confirming people's pre-existing biases against him.
They can try to demonize DeSantis but he will not give them ammo like Trump does constantly.
Tell me more how 4am ballot stuffings is totally legit winning. I hope a s0r0s da fucks you over and your paul ryan puppet lets them destroy you
If you are not even an American than you should be more humble about American politics. You clearly don't understand the key issues here.
You are arguing that Trump is entitled to be the nominee because "muh stolen election."
Even by your logic, he had it stolen when he was the incumbent. How is he "stopping the steal" this time as the challenger?
Nothing has changed in the swing states with regards to increased election integrity.
Trump's endorsed candidates lost all of the the key governorship races in 2022. We could have had increased election integrity in some swing states if he didn't endorse candidates like Mastriano, Dixon and Lake.
Trump will never become President again. Accept reality.
Nominating him again is asking to lose.
You are a fucking idiot.
How is nominating Trump again and losing 2024 instantly, growing a pair of balls?
Why don't you grow a brain and realize that Trump is incapable of winning a general election again?
Being cheated out doesnt mean they lost legitally.
Your rino hero desantis was endorsed by s0r0s and paul ryan, 2 of the worst scum on earth. Theres a reason the establishment loves rino vermin like desantis
Had Trump actually done much I'd be saying "we can't let the Left's propaganda keep us on the defensive", but he didn't and strategically it makes more sense to force the Left to set up a whole new propaganda campaign for DeSantis (which they can't because the institutions they've corrupted to do so have pissed a lot of trust away) rather than just continue feeding off their pre-built TDS for zero benefit.
Yeah, as a general rule if you want to know what a politician is going to do with power you vote them into, you ignore every word out of their mouth and look at what they've actually done with power in the past.
Trump's presidency was pathetic and feeble, he pussied out and compromised on things there should be no compromise on (electoral fraud, medical autonomy), flapped his hands and did nothing concrete on many urgent issues, (educational brainwashing, parental rights and a corrupt, biased judicial system, deadly political violence against his voter base) and repeatedly delegated power to whichever backstabbing rats flattered him the most. Talking tough and starting verbal shit on twitter is good enough when you're working from the outside, but once you're elected if you're still focusing on bitching to the electorate on social media instead of utilizing all the levers of real power now available to you, then you're either a retard or a charlatan.
My take is the man has proven to be a whipped pussy who would happily throw his supporters in front of bullets, but runs like a little bitch if the deep state hinted at personal consequences for himself. They tolerated him talking shit on twitter to keep his base from getting wild, but either he never meant a word he said, he was too pussy to even try making decisive executive action, or he tried and folded like a bitch in the behind-closed-doors stage when the real threats came. Because he only did something to back up his talk a small handful of times in 4 years.
DeSantis, whatever neocon associations he has and questionable statements he has made, has already done things on a state level what trump should have done on a federal level. If DeSantis simply repeated what he has done with the Florida education system in removing antagonistic administrators and dismantling their perverse brainwashing systems, that alone would be a definite improvement on Trump's entire presidency.
Glug glug glug we cant hear your over the sound of you sucking off paul ryans and s0r0s chosen pet desantis.
Desantis couldve had 2028 if he didnt backstab america and side with s0r0rs corrupt da
If DeSantis runs he will win because many who voted Trump the first two times did it holding our noses.
If Trump manages to win the nomination it would be insane to vote Biden against him, given the last four years of sheer insanity and creeping authoritarianism.
Imagien saying trump bad while defending biden and desantis the pedos who are endrosed by s0r0s
Trump surrounds himself with snakes like Lindsay Graham as his advisors and he staffs his 2024 campaign with idiots like Seb Gorka, Alex Bruesewitz, Roger Stone and the worst moron I have seen yet, Paul Ingrassia.
Trump 2024 campaign's Paul Ingrassia actually has the audacity to claim that Trump can win a 49 state landslide victory like Nixon and Reagan. No candidate in either party can get close to those landslides because the country is much more polarized. This is electoral politics 101 knowledge and this Ingrassia clown doesn't realize it.
https://mobile.twitter.com/PaulIngrassia/status/1639764523497168898
Trump would be lucky to repeat his 2020 map in 2024 if he is the nominee. Hell he potentially will lose two key states he won before in 2024.
NC and TX are truly at risk for him if he keeps playing J6 footage on the jumbotron like he did at the Waco rally yesterday or if he picks a divisive hysteric like MTG or Kari Lake as his V.P. Trump is sadly speed running how to alienate swing independent voters.
I hope Trump is not the nominee but God forbid if he becomes the nominee, he needs to stop playing that J6 footage and refrain from picking MTG or Lake as his V.P. Those moves would decimate the Republican nominees even in the down ballot races.
He doesn't listen to them though. Unfortunately, DeSantis backtracked somewhat on his anti-neocon position and started repeating childish slogans like "Putin is a war criminal" and Graham's mentor McCain's "Russia is a gas station".
His position remains the same. He is against U.S. intervention
He condemned Putin even when the whole thing started last year. He said it now again and said the gas station line because like it or not that position plays well with the median general election voter.
Our very small board generally contains people who would fit on the most right wing slice of the entire American electorate. DeSantis can't win any national election by solely pandering to people here.
The anti-war, isolationist, non-interventionist position is the one aspect of populism that appeals to pretty much everyone outside the elite, even across party lines, and yet it is the first one that DeSantis seems to have backpedaled on. Whatever he's doing, it's the opposite of trying to appeal to the mainstream voter. A significant amount of Trump's continued popularity stems from the fact that he is the only President in the past century who didn't involve the US in yet another war, and actually took steps to end ongoing military involvement overseas.
I don't mind the gas station line, though very childish, because he used it as a reason to not want to escalate. What does concern me is where he gets this sort of stuff.
You underestimate GOP primary voters. If he's going to win the primary, he has to not be a neocon. I was hoping the primary would become a race between who would be the most anti-neocon and anti-woke. Unfortunately, it seems that DeSantis is not challenging Trump for the crown on that one.
Trump is running to DeSantis's left when it comes to still defending lockdowns, bragging about the vax and praising Democrats like Charlie Crist.
The race is between a constitutional conservative who knows how to win and a narcissistic man with his own cult.
It should be a very simple choice but we have more Trump cultists in the base than I would ever like.
Bad news for you -- I listened to his Waco rally the other day and he didn't bring up the vax and shit all over lockdowns and the governers who implemented them "when they weren't forced to".
May be slight revisionist history but it really doesn't matter. DeSantis has no shot against Trump without some monumental blunder by Trump.
Sucks for you, eh?
That Crist stuff is retarded and he really needs to cut it out.
However, bragging about the vaccine is just good GE politics, which you earlier accepted as a reason.
DeSantis got no more than Marco Rubio. By that logic, Rubio is the man.
That said, DeSantis has been a very, very, very good governor. In 2008 or 2012 anyone supporting either Trump or DeSantis would be absolutely thrilled with the other guy.
Rather few actually. The only one I've seen is the Imp.
DeSantis went from a 0.4 win in 2018 to winning by 19.4 points in 2022. That is a feat that only one governor in recent history has achieved. He has terra-formed a swing state into a solid red state.
He is much more capable of winning a national election against Biden than Donald Trump ever could dream of.
Trump brags about the COVID vaccine because be genuinely believes that it was his greatest achievement. He is deluded enough to believe that.
A majority of Republican voters hate Putin. A majority of Republican voters vehemently hate the COVID vaccine. These two issues are not the same in viscerity.
Ron's statements won't hurt him in the primary nearly as much as Trump's bragging about the vax will hurt him in the primary.
I am not thrilled with Trump because he will lose 2024. The candidates in 2008 and 2012 fucking lost. Making any allusion to 2008 and 2012 is pointless.
I want to nominate the candidate that has a shot of winning. The presidency is no lock for even DeSantis. Beating an incumbent President is difficult. It is possible for DeSantis but impossible for Trump.
Trump lost with incumbency advantage and he has managed to alienate even more people since the last time.
How is Trump going to convince some people who voted for Biden in 2020 to switch? By playing J6 videos on the Jumbtron in his campaign rallies? By picking MTG or Kari Lake as his V.P.
Republicans will suffer a devastating loss if Trump is nominated again.
Not when the incumbent is Dementia Joe Biden--probably the worst president in my 61 years on earth.
I can almost guarantee you that you can find similar instances. The difference being is that DeSantis also governed in a great manner, rather than being wishy-washy if you will.
Right, but you were talking about the GE.
Possibly. But that is stupid, because the vaccine is in the past, whereas neoconism can be extended in the future.
I think you greatly overestimate that senile idiot. Unless there's another coronavirus and he can hide in his basement for the entire campaign, he will embarrass himself until people realize that he is not in a position to be responsible for anything.
He is leading in nearly all the polls.
Fuck off azov nazi supporting vermin. Ukrainians are nazi scum and the ones who were murdering their own people and using hospitals as bases.
Paul ryan, bush, cheney, s0r0s, bitch mcconnell, and all the other establishment rinos love and endorse desantinmonous