I hate when these people lump in social security with the rest of this nonsense. It's a system you're forced to pay into, the least the government can do is pay out as promised. I'm all for cutting spending, and ideally I don't even want SS at all, but you have to pay out for the people you forced to pay in.
If they want to modify SS...stop stealing our money for our entire lives first, then we can talk. Let us invest our own money, it would probably do better than their nonsense anyway. Do away with it entirely, but pay your obligations, government.
They're the government. They can simply add more numbers to the database any time the numbers for Social Security don't add up. It's not like they have to provide any kind of tangible value whatsoever for it.
It's a system you're forced to pay into, the least the government can do is pay out as promised.
Do away with it entirely, but pay your obligations, government.
The future taxpayers are children who cannot consent to the theft scheme. There is nothing in the kitty, it has long since been raided. All their promises are just promises to steal from the young. Their 'obligations' are nothing but a promise to steal for you.
It's not fair on you, but it's even less fair for you to advocate that those who cannot defend themselves, the future generations, be forced to pay (inefficiently) to the gov to pay you that which you know the government does not have.
If they amend the constitution to ban social security and medicare forever, I would gladly accept an immediate end to contributions and a reduced payout when I retire.
Good, the age for Social Security needs bumped to 70.
Getting Dhimms on board at least gives some counter-narrative ammunition when it passes.
Keep downvoting, old farts. You allowed this to happen for your entire adult lives, and if you don't accept a later payout, you're going to get inflation-watered-down payments anyways. Piggy bank's empty. Blame your parents and grandparents for allowing the ruling class to steal from you to fund their largesse since 1930.
There isn't a dime coming to my generation. You think you're getting fucked taking a payout a little late? Try paying in until the day it collapses.
I also find it women-most-affected conditions get social security disability the easiest. MS? Sure! Autism? Fuck off unless you're a danger to the public. Never mind only 16% are able to work full time and the life expectancy for autistic people is less than 45.
There's so much wrong with what you're advocating even if they reasons are good reasons.
I want boomers to retire. We all should. You know why you never got promoted as fast as you should have? Because boomers. You want to know why you or your family/friends aren't bank managers, branch managers, regional managers? Because you have some 60 year old keeping the seat warm.
There is a housing crisis. A lack of family homes. A huge part of that is that boomers keep hold of their homes, turn their extra rooms into offices, yoga studios, etc, after their kids move out and end up trying to raise kids in a 2 bedroom apartment. You know what gets a boomer to sell their home? Retiring and realizing they cannot have any fun with what money is left after paying their bills each month. They downsize. That frees up a home and reduces the demand, and that reduces the costs of homes.
To keep the elderly working is unnatural and actually upsets the progression people have in homes and in the workplace. It needs to stop. The only people that actually benefit from this system is the government and multinational business barons.
Accepting the premise that we can't afford to pay social security or medicare is just fucking stupid. We can. We can afford all the bullshit for the Ukraine. We can afford all the bullshit for nato. We can afford all the bullshit for pet projects on gay lesbian tapdancing studies... but we can't afford to pay out retirement to the elderly and we can't afford to care for the disabled? Bullshit. Meanwhile these motherfuckers vote to give themselves a raise every fucking midterms and every fucking primaries.
Austerity measures should start with out representatives. Why the fuck should each of the 400+ representatives in congress get 170k when they should be learning to survive on 70k so they can connect with their constituents and their struggles? Why don't they have to buy healthcare through the marketplace?
It's a false dichotomy. We have no need to burn retirement. They're selling us that like so they can re-appropriate the tax funds for other projects. You know who it'll fall on to take care of our destitute parents? Us. So it isn't even a victory you can sit there and smugly enjoy. Not while it falls on you to change the diapers of grammy and grampy.
Austerity measures should start with out representatives. Why the fuck should each of the 400+ representatives in congress get 170k when they should be learning to survive on 70k so they can connect with their constituents and their struggles? Why don't they have to buy healthcare through the marketplace?
Our reps are bought and paid for, and not with our tax dollars. I don't want to spend less on their salaries. I want to pay 10x as many of them, so there are too many for Pfizer and Exxon and Disney to buy the laws they want.
Accepting the premise that we can't afford to pay social security or medicare is just fucking stupid. We can. We can afford all the bullshit for the Ukraine. We can afford all the bullshit for nato. We can afford all the bullshit for pet projects on gay lesbian tapdancing studies...
We can't afford any of it. We're paying it all with funny money, and everybody just keeps pretending it means anything when 90% of all currency was minted in the last 10 or 15 years.
we can't afford to pay out retirement to the elderly and we can't afford to care for the disabled?
We can't afford to do these things because the State robs us at gunpoint on the pretense of doing these things, and not only does it do that poorly, it skims off the top, the bottom, and the sides at the same time.
You know what gets a boomer to sell their home? Retiring and realizing they cannot have any fun with what money is left after paying their bills each month. They downsize.
Joe Namath called, and he'd like to talk to you about reverse mortgages, so you can sell your home to the bank and still live in it, making sure your kids don't inherit a cent or get a less-inflated housing market.
Our reps are bought and paid for, and not with our tax dollars. I don't want to spend less on their salaries. I want to pay 10x as many of them, so there are too many for Pfizer and Exxon and Disney to buy the laws they want.
You think that they can't afford to buy more of them? Lmao. They just buy more and wait for the return on investment when the government throws them dozens more sweetheart deals down the line. Cant wait to see who's cokehead son becomes the middleman next. Or like they did with Ukraine, piss money into a shitcoin and use that shitcoin to funnel the money back to the DNC as donations.
We can't afford any of it. We're paying it all with funny money, and everybody just keeps pretending it means anything when 90% of all currency was minted in the last 10 or 15 years.
My point was more that there are a dozen better places to cut spending, if not more. At least social security and social disability programs are programs that directly help the people with the tax money put into them. I don't see how having the US army / Airforce be the largest employer of single mothers, is doing anything for the general public good or the combat readiness of our country. I do see how that is probably having a lot to do with the feminizing of our fighting force or how our armed services are becoming top heavy with too many fucking officers, and too few grunts. The people actually getting shot at and risking life have nowhere to be promoted to stateside because it's being taken up by some kind of 3-dick-riding whale. Or how we're mothballing perfectly good tanks and jets just so we can make more, so a defense contractor can make stealth payments to congressmen by buying their books.
Why cut off the funny money starting with the elderly first, knowing it'll fall on our backs to prop up the elderly in that case... and the gov wont cut our taxes to do that. They'll spend the retirement money on more defense contract non-sense.
We can't afford to do these things because the State robs us at gunpoint on the pretense of doing these things, and not only does it do that poorly, it skims off the top, the bottom, and the sides at the same time.
Again though, why start with one of the few pretenses that directly benefit the public and actually DOES help some of the public? I know those on medicaid and are at or below 200% poverty line are pretty fucking grateful their cancer has to be treated, they can't be denied treatment, and the costs of that get to be written off. Meanwhile places like the UK put these people on hospice care and wait for them to die. Or Canada encourages them to suicide.
Joe Namath called, and he'd like to talk to you about reverse mortgages, so you can sell your home to the bank and still live in it, making sure your kids don't inherit a cent or get a less-inflated housing market.
They've been around since 1961. They're not the reason for the housing market troubles. In anything, I'd sooner point to the gov looking the other way while big donating companies like blackrock run AirBnB through subsidiaries.
It's hilarious, I can't run a car repair garage out of my home. Can't run a kitchen or a restaurant. It's not zoned for that. I'd never get a permit and I'd never be allowed to continue once caught... but somehow, fucking somehow, it's okay to run a hostel in a neighborhood for instagram thots. Want homes back on the market? Demand the equal enforcement of zoning laws.
You think that they can't afford to buy more of them?
No, I think that if you can reasonably expect your representative to know your name and face because he's representing 10k people instead of pretending to represent a million people, he can't be bought without losing his seat.
various nonsense about the DoD
You're suggesting we cut a smaller budget line item than bennies. SS+Medicare are nearly double the defense budget. Sure there's plenty of bullshit in that too, but there's no reason we can't cut both.
directly benefit the public
You keep repeating this lie that taking $100 and giving $80 back 40 years later after adjusting for inflation and benefits increases is somehow a good thing.
various nonsense about AirBnBs
The REITs and investment companies holding SFHs aren't doing it for AirBnB income, they're doing it for long-term rental income. Any short-term rental is incidental to creating a perpetual serf class that can't own their own home and has to rent from generic_megacorp
You're suggesting we cut a smaller budget line item than bennies. SS+Medicare are nearly double the defense budget. Sure there's plenty of bullshit in that too, but there's no reason we can't cut both.
First off, you're having to add together two government programs to make this claim. That's already a shitty premise. Secondly, spending for social security is in the billions. The military budget is in the trillions. How the fuck do you get "nearly double" and get it in the wrong direction? 560 billion SS + 755 billion medicare vs 1.73 trillion. That's 1.3 trillion for both programs, not fucking 3 trillion. Holy fucking shit misinformed. Did you think military spending was began with and ended with DOD funding alone? Yet you want to smoosh together two separate social programs that actually directly help the American people.
You keep repeating this lie that taking $100 and giving $80 back 40 years later after adjusting for inflation and benefits increases is somehow a good thing.
Beats taking 100$ and seeing none of it spent inside my town, my state or my country. Your libertarian utopia isn't going to happen, sorry.
I hate when these people lump in social security with the rest of this nonsense. It's a system you're forced to pay into, the least the government can do is pay out as promised. I'm all for cutting spending, and ideally I don't even want SS at all, but you have to pay out for the people you forced to pay in.
If they want to modify SS...stop stealing our money for our entire lives first, then we can talk. Let us invest our own money, it would probably do better than their nonsense anyway. Do away with it entirely, but pay your obligations, government.
They're the government. They can simply add more numbers to the database any time the numbers for Social Security don't add up. It's not like they have to provide any kind of tangible value whatsoever for it.
The future taxpayers are children who cannot consent to the
theftscheme. There is nothing in the kitty, it has long since been raided. All their promises are just promises to steal from the young. Their 'obligations' are nothing but a promise to steal for you.It's not fair on you, but it's even less fair for you to advocate that those who cannot defend themselves, the future generations, be forced to pay (inefficiently) to the gov to pay you that which you know the government does not have.
If they amend the constitution to ban social security and medicare forever, I would gladly accept an immediate end to contributions and a reduced payout when I retire.
But it's a pyramid scheme. They don't have the money to pay us unless they rob our children.
I fucking hate politicians
401K's will be the first to be siezed.
reform has been needed for decades.
Good, the age for Social Security needs bumped to 70.
Getting Dhimms on board at least gives some counter-narrative ammunition when it passes.
Keep downvoting, old farts. You allowed this to happen for your entire adult lives, and if you don't accept a later payout, you're going to get inflation-watered-down payments anyways. Piggy bank's empty. Blame your parents and grandparents for allowing the ruling class to steal from you to fund their largesse since 1930.
There isn't a dime coming to my generation. You think you're getting fucked taking a payout a little late? Try paying in until the day it collapses.
Social security should pay out to men at an earlier age because they don’t live as long.
And they pay far more into the system (on average) over their lifetimes.
I also find it women-most-affected conditions get social security disability the easiest. MS? Sure! Autism? Fuck off unless you're a danger to the public. Never mind only 16% are able to work full time and the life expectancy for autistic people is less than 45.
There's so much wrong with what you're advocating even if they reasons are good reasons.
I want boomers to retire. We all should. You know why you never got promoted as fast as you should have? Because boomers. You want to know why you or your family/friends aren't bank managers, branch managers, regional managers? Because you have some 60 year old keeping the seat warm.
There is a housing crisis. A lack of family homes. A huge part of that is that boomers keep hold of their homes, turn their extra rooms into offices, yoga studios, etc, after their kids move out and end up trying to raise kids in a 2 bedroom apartment. You know what gets a boomer to sell their home? Retiring and realizing they cannot have any fun with what money is left after paying their bills each month. They downsize. That frees up a home and reduces the demand, and that reduces the costs of homes.
To keep the elderly working is unnatural and actually upsets the progression people have in homes and in the workplace. It needs to stop. The only people that actually benefit from this system is the government and multinational business barons.
Accepting the premise that we can't afford to pay social security or medicare is just fucking stupid. We can. We can afford all the bullshit for the Ukraine. We can afford all the bullshit for nato. We can afford all the bullshit for pet projects on gay lesbian tapdancing studies... but we can't afford to pay out retirement to the elderly and we can't afford to care for the disabled? Bullshit. Meanwhile these motherfuckers vote to give themselves a raise every fucking midterms and every fucking primaries.
Austerity measures should start with out representatives. Why the fuck should each of the 400+ representatives in congress get 170k when they should be learning to survive on 70k so they can connect with their constituents and their struggles? Why don't they have to buy healthcare through the marketplace?
It's a false dichotomy. We have no need to burn retirement. They're selling us that like so they can re-appropriate the tax funds for other projects. You know who it'll fall on to take care of our destitute parents? Us. So it isn't even a victory you can sit there and smugly enjoy. Not while it falls on you to change the diapers of grammy and grampy.
Our reps are bought and paid for, and not with our tax dollars. I don't want to spend less on their salaries. I want to pay 10x as many of them, so there are too many for Pfizer and Exxon and Disney to buy the laws they want.
We can't afford any of it. We're paying it all with funny money, and everybody just keeps pretending it means anything when 90% of all currency was minted in the last 10 or 15 years.
We can't afford to do these things because the State robs us at gunpoint on the pretense of doing these things, and not only does it do that poorly, it skims off the top, the bottom, and the sides at the same time.
Joe Namath called, and he'd like to talk to you about reverse mortgages, so you can sell your home to the bank and still live in it, making sure your kids don't inherit a cent or get a less-inflated housing market.
You think that they can't afford to buy more of them? Lmao. They just buy more and wait for the return on investment when the government throws them dozens more sweetheart deals down the line. Cant wait to see who's cokehead son becomes the middleman next. Or like they did with Ukraine, piss money into a shitcoin and use that shitcoin to funnel the money back to the DNC as donations.
My point was more that there are a dozen better places to cut spending, if not more. At least social security and social disability programs are programs that directly help the people with the tax money put into them. I don't see how having the US army / Airforce be the largest employer of single mothers, is doing anything for the general public good or the combat readiness of our country. I do see how that is probably having a lot to do with the feminizing of our fighting force or how our armed services are becoming top heavy with too many fucking officers, and too few grunts. The people actually getting shot at and risking life have nowhere to be promoted to stateside because it's being taken up by some kind of 3-dick-riding whale. Or how we're mothballing perfectly good tanks and jets just so we can make more, so a defense contractor can make stealth payments to congressmen by buying their books.
Why cut off the funny money starting with the elderly first, knowing it'll fall on our backs to prop up the elderly in that case... and the gov wont cut our taxes to do that. They'll spend the retirement money on more defense contract non-sense.
Again though, why start with one of the few pretenses that directly benefit the public and actually DOES help some of the public? I know those on medicaid and are at or below 200% poverty line are pretty fucking grateful their cancer has to be treated, they can't be denied treatment, and the costs of that get to be written off. Meanwhile places like the UK put these people on hospice care and wait for them to die. Or Canada encourages them to suicide.
They've been around since 1961. They're not the reason for the housing market troubles. In anything, I'd sooner point to the gov looking the other way while big donating companies like blackrock run AirBnB through subsidiaries.
It's hilarious, I can't run a car repair garage out of my home. Can't run a kitchen or a restaurant. It's not zoned for that. I'd never get a permit and I'd never be allowed to continue once caught... but somehow, fucking somehow, it's okay to run a hostel in a neighborhood for instagram thots. Want homes back on the market? Demand the equal enforcement of zoning laws.
No, I think that if you can reasonably expect your representative to know your name and face because he's representing 10k people instead of pretending to represent a million people, he can't be bought without losing his seat.
You're suggesting we cut a smaller budget line item than bennies. SS+Medicare are nearly double the defense budget. Sure there's plenty of bullshit in that too, but there's no reason we can't cut both.
You keep repeating this lie that taking $100 and giving $80 back 40 years later after adjusting for inflation and benefits increases is somehow a good thing.
The REITs and investment companies holding SFHs aren't doing it for AirBnB income, they're doing it for long-term rental income. Any short-term rental is incidental to creating a perpetual serf class that can't own their own home and has to rent from generic_megacorp
First off, you're having to add together two government programs to make this claim. That's already a shitty premise. Secondly, spending for social security is in the billions. The military budget is in the trillions. How the fuck do you get "nearly double" and get it in the wrong direction? 560 billion SS + 755 billion medicare vs 1.73 trillion. That's 1.3 trillion for both programs, not fucking 3 trillion. Holy fucking shit misinformed. Did you think military spending was began with and ended with DOD funding alone? Yet you want to smoosh together two separate social programs that actually directly help the American people.
Beats taking 100$ and seeing none of it spent inside my town, my state or my country. Your libertarian utopia isn't going to happen, sorry.
I agreed with the other guy at first but you convinced me. 👍
I still agree with the other guy, but there were some good counter-arguments presented here.
Might be worth it to read my rebuttal. It's not as clear-cut as he thinks.