I don't think it's just that. Keynesianism monetary policy is actually partly to blame here. The kind of conservative societies that would make large families and traditional living possible also require an economic bedrock of saving money.
I dare you, I fucking double-dog dare you, to imagine a world where saving's accounts have a 10% yearly interest rate, and inflation is around 3% or less. I promise you the world we live in literally couldn't survive in such conditions. The base incentive structures of society would change because malinvestment from high inflation wouldn't be possible. High-quality goods could be produced profitably. Small, family owned, businesses could become major vehicles of socio-economic mobility. No one would ask for gibs, because the value of saving would far outweigh the value of asking/demanding. The base premise for "saving for retirement" would work wonders.
Japan is probably one of the most culturally based places you can think of, but it is Full Keynesianism economically, and it has been for a long time. Corporations have incredible influence, degeneracy is rampant, urban density is extreme, and stagnation is the way of the world. Even with a based culture, the economic policy that could actually assist such a culture simply doesn't exist, so there's no way to make a population boom happen.
Japan actually once tried creating 100 year mortgages. It didn't go so well, so now they are doing their standard 40 year mortgages, but hoping to expand into 50 and 70 year mortgages. The idea of owning property and starting your own business is a fiction; and so the basic incentive structure for men to build wealth & status; and for women to build families and communities; isn't there. These are Keynesian policies that are leading to cultural degradation by poisoning the monetary incentives.
Hungry, like most of Europe, is still economically Keynesian.
They've been in conflict with the EU specifically because they won't open the gates to the hordes. Unless they backed down due to the EU withholding funds (I haven't heard anything and I doubt they would) you're correct. Fertility is a different question though. Japan isn't importing foreigners either and their fertility is in the gutter.
So Poland is suffering the same problem every Western first world nation is suffering - the next generation of the population is 1) procreating less and 2) don't want to do the jobs the previous generation did before.
It's a predictable pattern. Japan is dealing with this shit too.
And while the demographic decay is an issue, the ONLY thing I can say is you're better off importing Filipinos than you are importing mudslimes from Africa and the Middle East/South Asia.
I'll just say this - I live in a state that has a decent number of Filipinos. They're the Mexicans of East Asia - they take the jobs that Koreans, Chinese, and Japanese do not want to do, they also have "middle class" jobs in stuff like nursing and accounting. A majority of them are staunch Catholics and are highly anti-degeneracy and also do have the protestant work ethic. They work hard, but not necessarily smart, but they at least work. They also pass this on to their next generation as well, so it's usually the third generation you need to look out for.
That being said, technology is making Western society impossible to maintain. And unless you have an authoritarian regime take over the country and essentially throw all the degenerates and those supporting the advancement of degeneracy (whether indirectly or directly) out of a chopper, this seems to be a common problem among every first world nation.
And of course, you don't want an authoritarian regime - some of you do, but you're a retard if you think that's going to suddenly turn things around (the pendulum swing back will just put you right back to where we are now).
Japan couldn't figure it out and they had a protestant work ethic culture with a consistently racially homogeneous population. What makes anyone think the rest of the West is going to figure it out?
Good. Eventually people are going to realize tradcuck solutions aren't effective. You want more children. Force women back into the household, make whoring illegal, force women to lose weight, force women to cook for men, segregate women from men in education, train women to be homemakers and wives not business people and politicians. Ban women from politics. Implement a duty for the woman to provide sex to the man in a marriage. Make it illegal to hire a woman for a job if an equally qualified man or better also applied to the same job. Make it legal to hit women who disobey their husbands.
Sounds extreme... For now anyway. Eventually, when civilization starts crumbling, my ideas are going to sound reasonable and good compared to what else is going on. There's a reason everything I suggested used to be the case and it wasn't because we were primitive brutes. Our ancestors were wisor than we are now.
People are actively avoiding having children so they can have more money for themselves. In addition to your other suggestions, you'd have to ban birth control. I don't think hitting women is going to create more children either.
Men actually genuinely enjoy children when they have a woman at home to look after them. You wouldn't need to ban contraception if you started shaping the woman into proper wives with the checks and balances in place to prevent the women from being able to rebel effectively against the role forced onto them. We've seen two examples of this already where there was a shift upwards in birth rates, reversing a decline. In Nazi Germany and Franco's Spain.
Hard patriarchies increase birth rates. Feminism destroys them.
The way you get a culture that would accommodate it "naturally" is your force it no different than the slow subversion of our "culture" through the academic system, media, etc... It has been done many times in history to great success.
You round up all politicians, business leaders and academics or otherwise prominent/influential people who disagree, kill them, then churn out propaganda for generations until eventually you get the "culture" you desire. You can come up with whatever excuse you want to kill the people too. You write the history.
Your re-writing of history fails to take into account that in each case the blowback of violent authoritarianism is a revival and resurgence of Leftist authoritarianism immediately once the current regime fails. But again, you wouldn't understand that.
Besides, why not just start with you? You're a Leftist degenerate with violent tendencies that can't be trusted in society. You'll end up attacking our friends, family, and loved ones simply because your an insecure, egomaniacal, psychopath who's projecting his personal failures onto everyone else. You're a wannabe school shooter. Why should you even be granted the right to declare your innocence when we can write whatever we want when your gone anyway?
You are one dumb motherfucker: somehow you even manage to shit up a thread about Hungary with your low-IQ libertarian, anti-authoritarian drivel. I'd rather live under Orban or practically any 'authoritarian' over Gary Johnson, that Jorgensen woman or any other low-IQ libertarian any day. The likes of Rothbard are putrid scum of the Earth, and, were they as competent as Marxists at acquiring authority, just as dangerous as them. Thankfully libertarians and anarchists are absolutely inept at acquiring authority: the only thing that prevents them from being as dangerous.
If the Left is ever removed from power (hypothetically speaking, of course), then you are the next target. The purification of the world requires the removal of all degenerate ideologies: all forms of Leftism—your beloved libertarianism, barely differentiable from anarchism, of course included.
This juvenile, rebellious freedom nonsense is antithetical to high civilization. There will be a totalitarianism that shall realize a society of saints, and it shall be realized from top down, or else, barbarism shall emerge victorious. There is no third option. You morons rebel against Left-wing Orthodoxy now because that is the status quo, but you will also rebel against a society of saints because you are, at heart, too degenerate to be a good fit for it.
You moronic caveman-minded barbarians will be destroyed: either by those further Leftward of you (the most likely scenario), or by my kind far to your Right.
Yes yes, Johnson and Jorgensen are totally in the same class as Rothbard. I mean, THEY'RE PRACTICALLY THE SAME PERSON. Strange how nobody respects Gary Johnson and EVERYBODY hates Jorgensen, even Lolbertarians.
Offtopic -- but when will you and Antonio figure out that shaming arguments don't work here? Particularly calling people stupid in so many words?
It's too bad because when you put together actual arguments, they're generally worth reading and frequently informative. I don't even think you're in the wrong here, but fuck off with the shaming bullshit.
I'd need a genuine argument to start with. Take Arch as an example. He and I have had long discussions, even though I know he's discussing his position in bad faith, specifically because he's making apparently reasonable arguments. He might start with some center-right objection with an underlying intent to make the reader draw an alt-right conclusion (as is his intention), but he doesn't start off like a stormfag. That's when we can have a good discussion even with malintent.
But most of the time it's just stormfags being stormfags. I'm just going to be called a "a fucking jewlover who wants to kill off the white race" anyway. They're not here for a discussion, they are here to pound the same point over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. Blame jews, say nigger, be black pilled, call for violence. It's only ever that. If even one of them could take a "White version of Booker T. Washington" approach, I could at least respect them. But they won't. They don't even want to because they are Leftists.
And what I said was not shaming either. One of the foundational aspects of all alt-right authoritarian narratives is: order is never emergent. Literally never. I've argued this with them a thousand times. They genuinely believe that moral and social order exists only at the barrel of a gun. Nothing else works to them. Morality isn't emergent from social interactions, it is based on power assertion. Social organization doesn't come from relationships, it comes as an imposition from the state. You would think they should be arguing that social order comes from a kind of patriarchal ordering of society, where the older men impose an order on their children as a clan; but they don't even see that. They only see a kind of patriarchal tyranny as the source of all social and moral order, a man prepared to kill his friends, family, neighbors, wife, and children to maintain that order with unlimited violence. That moral ordering is not based on trust, truth, faith, love, respect, or obligation; only on coercion an threat of violence. And that is exactly what he's talking about here: kill until your order is dominant.
This authoritarianism mirrors Leftist narratives on power dynamics because they are Leftists. This isn't an insult, they literally can't see it emergent order. They don't believe it happens. When I say "I don't expect you to understand", it's because I know he actually, literally, does not.
Antonio is much worse. He sounds 100% like a redditor. Thought about replying to one of his comments to point that out but then realized I would almost be doing the same thing he does. I'm like... nobody cares what you tell them to do here man. It's also disrespectful if you think of the other poster as an adult. Can you imagine a grown man quietly correcting another grown man who isn't his son like that in real life?
How bad is the feminism problem in Hungary? Declining fertility rates can usually be traced back to the cultural rot that feminism causes.
I don't think it's just that. Keynesianism monetary policy is actually partly to blame here. The kind of conservative societies that would make large families and traditional living possible also require an economic bedrock of saving money.
I dare you, I fucking double-dog dare you, to imagine a world where saving's accounts have a 10% yearly interest rate, and inflation is around 3% or less. I promise you the world we live in literally couldn't survive in such conditions. The base incentive structures of society would change because malinvestment from high inflation wouldn't be possible. High-quality goods could be produced profitably. Small, family owned, businesses could become major vehicles of socio-economic mobility. No one would ask for gibs, because the value of saving would far outweigh the value of asking/demanding. The base premise for "saving for retirement" would work wonders.
Japan is probably one of the most culturally based places you can think of, but it is Full Keynesianism economically, and it has been for a long time. Corporations have incredible influence, degeneracy is rampant, urban density is extreme, and stagnation is the way of the world. Even with a based culture, the economic policy that could actually assist such a culture simply doesn't exist, so there's no way to make a population boom happen.
Japan actually once tried creating 100 year mortgages. It didn't go so well, so now they are doing their standard 40 year mortgages, but hoping to expand into 50 and 70 year mortgages. The idea of owning property and starting your own business is a fiction; and so the basic incentive structure for men to build wealth & status; and for women to build families and communities; isn't there. These are Keynesian policies that are leading to cultural degradation by poisoning the monetary incentives.
Hungry, like most of Europe, is still economically Keynesian.
Hungary isn't importing Mudslimes as much as other EU countries are they? I thought they were like Poland where they're trying to resist globalism.
They've been in conflict with the EU specifically because they won't open the gates to the hordes. Unless they backed down due to the EU withholding funds (I haven't heard anything and I doubt they would) you're correct. Fertility is a different question though. Japan isn't importing foreigners either and their fertility is in the gutter.
So Poland is suffering the same problem every Western first world nation is suffering - the next generation of the population is 1) procreating less and 2) don't want to do the jobs the previous generation did before.
It's a predictable pattern. Japan is dealing with this shit too.
And while the demographic decay is an issue, the ONLY thing I can say is you're better off importing Filipinos than you are importing mudslimes from Africa and the Middle East/South Asia.
I'll just say this - I live in a state that has a decent number of Filipinos. They're the Mexicans of East Asia - they take the jobs that Koreans, Chinese, and Japanese do not want to do, they also have "middle class" jobs in stuff like nursing and accounting. A majority of them are staunch Catholics and are highly anti-degeneracy and also do have the protestant work ethic. They work hard, but not necessarily smart, but they at least work. They also pass this on to their next generation as well, so it's usually the third generation you need to look out for.
That being said, technology is making Western society impossible to maintain. And unless you have an authoritarian regime take over the country and essentially throw all the degenerates and those supporting the advancement of degeneracy (whether indirectly or directly) out of a chopper, this seems to be a common problem among every first world nation.
And of course, you don't want an authoritarian regime - some of you do, but you're a retard if you think that's going to suddenly turn things around (the pendulum swing back will just put you right back to where we are now).
Japan couldn't figure it out and they had a protestant work ethic culture with a consistently racially homogeneous population. What makes anyone think the rest of the West is going to figure it out?
Good. Eventually people are going to realize tradcuck solutions aren't effective. You want more children. Force women back into the household, make whoring illegal, force women to lose weight, force women to cook for men, segregate women from men in education, train women to be homemakers and wives not business people and politicians. Ban women from politics. Implement a duty for the woman to provide sex to the man in a marriage. Make it illegal to hire a woman for a job if an equally qualified man or better also applied to the same job. Make it legal to hit women who disobey their husbands.
Sounds extreme... For now anyway. Eventually, when civilization starts crumbling, my ideas are going to sound reasonable and good compared to what else is going on. There's a reason everything I suggested used to be the case and it wasn't because we were primitive brutes. Our ancestors were wisor than we are now.
People are actively avoiding having children so they can have more money for themselves. In addition to your other suggestions, you'd have to ban birth control. I don't think hitting women is going to create more children either.
Men actually genuinely enjoy children when they have a woman at home to look after them. You wouldn't need to ban contraception if you started shaping the woman into proper wives with the checks and balances in place to prevent the women from being able to rebel effectively against the role forced onto them. We've seen two examples of this already where there was a shift upwards in birth rates, reversing a decline. In Nazi Germany and Franco's Spain.
Hard patriarchies increase birth rates. Feminism destroys them.
By having kids fucking each other in youth camps, and then putting the kids on welfare. That's not a solution you worthless fucking Leftist.
Woman: "I just want a strong masculine man."
Stormfag: "What's this, uwu? ... Arbeit Macht Frei, muh femoid" tips fasces
Woman: "Jesus Christ..."
Stormfag: "NEVER SPEAK OF jEWS IN MY PRESENCE AGAIN YOU FUCKING SLAG OR I'LL KILL YOU"
You're the liberal around here, aren't you?
Well, if you're a liberal and you think my suggestions are liberal in nature then we're in agreement so what more is there to discuss?
I think liberalism has been disastrous for humanity and my brain.
You can't force any of those things, you'd actually have to have a culture that would accommodate it naturally.
Unfortunately, you're an authoritarian, so I don't expect you to understand.
The way you get a culture that would accommodate it "naturally" is your force it no different than the slow subversion of our "culture" through the academic system, media, etc... It has been done many times in history to great success.
You round up all politicians, business leaders and academics or otherwise prominent/influential people who disagree, kill them, then churn out propaganda for generations until eventually you get the "culture" you desire. You can come up with whatever excuse you want to kill the people too. You write the history.
Your re-writing of history fails to take into account that in each case the blowback of violent authoritarianism is a revival and resurgence of Leftist authoritarianism immediately once the current regime fails. But again, you wouldn't understand that.
Besides, why not just start with you? You're a Leftist degenerate with violent tendencies that can't be trusted in society. You'll end up attacking our friends, family, and loved ones simply because your an insecure, egomaniacal, psychopath who's projecting his personal failures onto everyone else. You're a wannabe school shooter. Why should you even be granted the right to declare your innocence when we can write whatever we want when your gone anyway?
Well said. I like your attitude. We need more of this attitude in society. Keep up the good thinking.
Kill all leftist degenerates and don't give them a fair trial. Just write whatever you want when they're gone. Do it!!!
Get the fuck out of here freak.
You are one dumb motherfucker: somehow you even manage to shit up a thread about Hungary with your low-IQ libertarian, anti-authoritarian drivel. I'd rather live under Orban or practically any 'authoritarian' over Gary Johnson, that Jorgensen woman or any other low-IQ libertarian any day. The likes of Rothbard are putrid scum of the Earth, and, were they as competent as Marxists at acquiring authority, just as dangerous as them. Thankfully libertarians and anarchists are absolutely inept at acquiring authority: the only thing that prevents them from being as dangerous.
If the Left is ever removed from power (hypothetically speaking, of course), then you are the next target. The purification of the world requires the removal of all degenerate ideologies: all forms of Leftism—your beloved libertarianism, barely differentiable from anarchism, of course included.
This juvenile, rebellious freedom nonsense is antithetical to high civilization. There will be a totalitarianism that shall realize a society of saints, and it shall be realized from top down, or else, barbarism shall emerge victorious. There is no third option. You morons rebel against Left-wing Orthodoxy now because that is the status quo, but you will also rebel against a society of saints because you are, at heart, too degenerate to be a good fit for it.
You moronic caveman-minded barbarians will be destroyed: either by those further Leftward of you (the most likely scenario), or by my kind far to your Right.
Yes yes, Johnson and Jorgensen are totally in the same class as Rothbard. I mean, THEY'RE PRACTICALLY THE SAME PERSON. Strange how nobody respects Gary Johnson and EVERYBODY hates Jorgensen, even Lolbertarians.
Good larp tho. 👌
Why wait?
Libertarianism is just the "backdoor" that evil uses to get a foothold in society. It's actually a worthless ideology in the long-term.
Offtopic -- but when will you and Antonio figure out that shaming arguments don't work here? Particularly calling people stupid in so many words?
It's too bad because when you put together actual arguments, they're generally worth reading and frequently informative. I don't even think you're in the wrong here, but fuck off with the shaming bullshit.
I'd need a genuine argument to start with. Take Arch as an example. He and I have had long discussions, even though I know he's discussing his position in bad faith, specifically because he's making apparently reasonable arguments. He might start with some center-right objection with an underlying intent to make the reader draw an alt-right conclusion (as is his intention), but he doesn't start off like a stormfag. That's when we can have a good discussion even with malintent.
But most of the time it's just stormfags being stormfags. I'm just going to be called a "a fucking jewlover who wants to kill off the white race" anyway. They're not here for a discussion, they are here to pound the same point over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. Blame jews, say nigger, be black pilled, call for violence. It's only ever that. If even one of them could take a "White version of Booker T. Washington" approach, I could at least respect them. But they won't. They don't even want to because they are Leftists.
And what I said was not shaming either. One of the foundational aspects of all alt-right authoritarian narratives is: order is never emergent. Literally never. I've argued this with them a thousand times. They genuinely believe that moral and social order exists only at the barrel of a gun. Nothing else works to them. Morality isn't emergent from social interactions, it is based on power assertion. Social organization doesn't come from relationships, it comes as an imposition from the state. You would think they should be arguing that social order comes from a kind of patriarchal ordering of society, where the older men impose an order on their children as a clan; but they don't even see that. They only see a kind of patriarchal tyranny as the source of all social and moral order, a man prepared to kill his friends, family, neighbors, wife, and children to maintain that order with unlimited violence. That moral ordering is not based on trust, truth, faith, love, respect, or obligation; only on coercion an threat of violence. And that is exactly what he's talking about here: kill until your order is dominant.
This authoritarianism mirrors Leftist narratives on power dynamics because they are Leftists. This isn't an insult, they literally can't see it emergent order. They don't believe it happens. When I say "I don't expect you to understand", it's because I know he actually, literally, does not.
Antonio is much worse. He sounds 100% like a redditor. Thought about replying to one of his comments to point that out but then realized I would almost be doing the same thing he does. I'm like... nobody cares what you tell them to do here man. It's also disrespectful if you think of the other poster as an adult. Can you imagine a grown man quietly correcting another grown man who isn't his son like that in real life?