Offtopic -- but when will you and Antonio figure out that shaming arguments don't work here? Particularly calling people stupid in so many words?
It's too bad because when you put together actual arguments, they're generally worth reading and frequently informative. I don't even think you're in the wrong here, but fuck off with the shaming bullshit.
I'd need a genuine argument to start with. Take Arch as an example. He and I have had long discussions, even though I know he's discussing his position in bad faith, specifically because he's making apparently reasonable arguments. He might start with some center-right objection with an underlying intent to make the reader draw an alt-right conclusion (as is his intention), but he doesn't start off like a stormfag. That's when we can have a good discussion even with malintent.
But most of the time it's just stormfags being stormfags. I'm just going to be called a "a fucking jewlover who wants to kill off the white race" anyway. They're not here for a discussion, they are here to pound the same point over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. Blame jews, say nigger, be black pilled, call for violence. It's only ever that. If even one of them could take a "White version of Booker T. Washington" approach, I could at least respect them. But they won't. They don't even want to because they are Leftists.
And what I said was not shaming either. One of the foundational aspects of all alt-right authoritarian narratives is: order is never emergent. Literally never. I've argued this with them a thousand times. They genuinely believe that moral and social order exists only at the barrel of a gun. Nothing else works to them. Morality isn't emergent from social interactions, it is based on power assertion. Social organization doesn't come from relationships, it comes as an imposition from the state. You would think they should be arguing that social order comes from a kind of patriarchal ordering of society, where the older men impose an order on their children as a clan; but they don't even see that. They only see a kind of patriarchal tyranny as the source of all social and moral order, a man prepared to kill his friends, family, neighbors, wife, and children to maintain that order with unlimited violence. That moral ordering is not based on trust, truth, faith, love, respect, or obligation; only on coercion an threat of violence. And that is exactly what he's talking about here: kill until your order is dominant.
This authoritarianism mirrors Leftist narratives on power dynamics because they are Leftists. This isn't an insult, they literally can't see it emergent order. They don't believe it happens. When I say "I don't expect you to understand", it's because I know he actually, literally, does not.
Antonio is much worse. He sounds 100% like a redditor. Thought about replying to one of his comments to point that out but then realized I would almost be doing the same thing he does. I'm like... nobody cares what you tell them to do here man. It's also disrespectful if you think of the other poster as an adult. Can you imagine a grown man quietly correcting another grown man who isn't his son like that in real life?
Offtopic -- but when will you and Antonio figure out that shaming arguments don't work here? Particularly calling people stupid in so many words?
It's too bad because when you put together actual arguments, they're generally worth reading and frequently informative. I don't even think you're in the wrong here, but fuck off with the shaming bullshit.
I'd need a genuine argument to start with. Take Arch as an example. He and I have had long discussions, even though I know he's discussing his position in bad faith, specifically because he's making apparently reasonable arguments. He might start with some center-right objection with an underlying intent to make the reader draw an alt-right conclusion (as is his intention), but he doesn't start off like a stormfag. That's when we can have a good discussion even with malintent.
But most of the time it's just stormfags being stormfags. I'm just going to be called a "a fucking jewlover who wants to kill off the white race" anyway. They're not here for a discussion, they are here to pound the same point over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. Blame jews, say nigger, be black pilled, call for violence. It's only ever that. If even one of them could take a "White version of Booker T. Washington" approach, I could at least respect them. But they won't. They don't even want to because they are Leftists.
And what I said was not shaming either. One of the foundational aspects of all alt-right authoritarian narratives is: order is never emergent. Literally never. I've argued this with them a thousand times. They genuinely believe that moral and social order exists only at the barrel of a gun. Nothing else works to them. Morality isn't emergent from social interactions, it is based on power assertion. Social organization doesn't come from relationships, it comes as an imposition from the state. You would think they should be arguing that social order comes from a kind of patriarchal ordering of society, where the older men impose an order on their children as a clan; but they don't even see that. They only see a kind of patriarchal tyranny as the source of all social and moral order, a man prepared to kill his friends, family, neighbors, wife, and children to maintain that order with unlimited violence. That moral ordering is not based on trust, truth, faith, love, respect, or obligation; only on coercion an threat of violence. And that is exactly what he's talking about here: kill until your order is dominant.
This authoritarianism mirrors Leftist narratives on power dynamics because they are Leftists. This isn't an insult, they literally can't see it emergent order. They don't believe it happens. When I say "I don't expect you to understand", it's because I know he actually, literally, does not.
Antonio is much worse. He sounds 100% like a redditor. Thought about replying to one of his comments to point that out but then realized I would almost be doing the same thing he does. I'm like... nobody cares what you tell them to do here man. It's also disrespectful if you think of the other poster as an adult. Can you imagine a grown man quietly correcting another grown man who isn't his son like that in real life?