I would imagine it was rightly seen as a mental issue. Just like today if my brother told me he feels he is a woman id look up a counselor to help him. A real one who accepts reality
In ancient times they would have executed them as sexual deviants. Treating it as a mental issue is pretty new in the scheme of things, and worshipping perverts is even newer. We didn't do things a certain way for thousands of years for no reason.
Some cultures probably just castrated them and sent them back to work or forced them into sex slavery. No need to kill a male whose body is still usable even if their mind is useless.
You're not knowledgeable of ancient societies at all with a comment like that.
The first thing you are doing is assuming that what you think is deviant, was always deviant. Your concept of deviant is basically coming from the Post-Enlightenment Anglosphere. Even though that might be a good thing, it doesn't change that completely different civilizations just have totally incompatible views on deviance.
Meanwhile, Ancient Greece's pederasty was so prevalent, it is likely the very origin for Afghanistan's "Bacha Bazi". The Ottomans were well known for their harems, and also their Jannisaries who were groomed as children. Mohammed married a 9 year old and fucked her when she was 12. Sulla was married, but probably had a gay lover, and Alexander was almost certainly gay himself. Sparta was so god damned gay they endangered their own population growth rate, and created the most infamously resentful women in history. Islam is still littered with homosexual activity that is excused for any plethora of silly rationalizations including (and I've literally heard both of these): "Women are for children; men are for pleasure", and the infamous "Man Love Thursday" where it's okay because the holy day is tomorrow so I guess it doesn't count or something? The term for hermaphrodite originates from Greece (again, seeing a bit of a pattern here), and these types of, well, mutants, were seen as having been touched by deities. They were more oddities than "evil".
Even in Medieval Europe, gays wouldn't have just been executed, they were actually just ostracized to live in the equivalent of a Lepper Colony, because they very likely had an STD already.
There were a few civilizations that kinda did that "gender is just a state of mind bro" shit, but these are the same civilizations that thought slave labor was ok and that gods and whatnot controlled the earth.
To you it's deviant, and to me it's deviant, but I hate to play the cultural relativism card, but back then a lot of fucked up shit we now consider illegal or deviant was 'accepted'.
So yes, this shit existed back then, but that didn't make it ok. Using that fucker's logic, child marriage was also accepted back then, should we allow that too?
Why can't more people do the "You know, back then it did exist, but that doesn't excuse it being allowed now" state of mind. What's it with leftists always trying to asspull-reach their way back a hundred or a thousand years to excuse shit ideology and shit behaviors?
They're just projecting their perversions onto ancient people. The idea that others aren't motivated by degenerate fetishes like they are is beyond their imagination.
Transgenderism didn't exist. However, autogynaphillia, gender dysphoria patients, and hermaphrodites did exist. None of it was morphed into an Leftist ideology.
Ok so given the fact that no one can actually switch genders. There have been places and times where men have been dressed up like women, or women dressed like men. Those highly culturally specific moments may or may not align with our idea of trans.
Fact, there's nothing new under the sun sexually. If you're talking about wearing this outfit or that and putting your dick in this part or that. All that's been figured out since antiquity.
But isn’t it still a man who thinks he is a woman? A trans person is essentially someone who believes they are what they are not. So there have always been people with all sorts of mental issues. In her old age my grandmother had all sorts of mental issues. We never affirmed them of course. Now if a man is happy pretending to be a woman fine, I guess I’m just tired of this push to ignore reality
Well you have done some research. I know hermaphrodites have both sex organs. I’d put that in a different category than someone who believes they are something else or it’s a mental issue. But I wouldn’t date a “trans woman” because they aren’t real women. I get they believe they are but I’ll always believe there are men and women. Now you get hermaphroditism which happens but that is a real thing. I guess I’m just skeptical about the faddish nature of trans and non binary. But I still stick with the fact that if a man believes he is a woman then there is some mental imbalance. Doesn’t make him a bad person because we all have mental issues to a degree at some point in life.
Those look to be about eunuchs and not trans. I think we can finally agree on one thing on the trans issue, "trans women" are eunuchs - castrated men.
Although those article pictures do not mention if it is something do to a mental illness or regular eunuchs - men being castrated to serve some purposes sometimes watching over women, sometimes keeping taxes - not sure why that was a thing, sometimes just slaves.
Either way I do not care, I'll drink to finding middle ground. Cheers.
I doubt that the treatment was cutting off their dicks. The process of making eunuchs was for a long time for different reasons outside mental illness. Since neither of those articles mention that the eunuchs became eunuchs because they wanted, is not exactly a good correlation.
I don't doubt gender dysphoria was a thing even back then, I just don't think that people would go above dressing as a woman, and even then they most likely would not do to a social stigma.
The big question is how much of the modern day is making more trans people. All this lying to people that they are actual the opposite gender, encouraging kids to experiment, redefying what gender is so that it becomes nothing, puberty blocks, treating trans people as something great and virtues and an overall sick society with no moral compass has an impact in to creating more mentally ill people.
There a few things that need to be established:
being trans is a mental illness
is not healthy for kids to experiment with gender, having a gender identity that matches your sex is preferable
puberty blockers are horrible to your health, so are hormones of the opposite sex
kids with gender dysphoria grow out of it during puberty as long as they are not encouraged or worse put on puberty blockers
gender ideology makes the concept of trans very murky
So if it is unhealthy for you from all points of view to be trans then, as a society, we should do all in our power to prevent it.
I don't have a problem with adults cutting off their dicks and claiming they are women, I have a problem with confusing kids in to this sick, monstrous ideologically motivated illness. Also I should not be required to pretend that trans women are women.
neither feminine nor masculine, woman-mad, envious, of evil wage, quick to anger, effeminate, slaves of the belly, money-mad, coarse, grumbling about their dinner, fickle, stingy, ready to accept anything, disgusting, crazed jealous-and yet why say more?-at their very birth doomed to the knife! How can their mind be right when their very feet are twisted? They are chaste (thanks to the knife), and it is no credit to them; and they are lecherous without fruition (thanks to their own natural vileness).
Damn, if that isn't a spot on description of trannies, I don't know what is. On the other hand, nobody in antiquity thought that eunuchs were women, not the eunuchs themselves.
I would imagine it was rightly seen as a mental issue. Just like today if my brother told me he feels he is a woman id look up a counselor to help him. A real one who accepts reality
In ancient times they would have executed them as sexual deviants. Treating it as a mental issue is pretty new in the scheme of things, and worshipping perverts is even newer. We didn't do things a certain way for thousands of years for no reason.
Some cultures probably just castrated them and sent them back to work or forced them into sex slavery. No need to kill a male whose body is still usable even if their mind is useless.
You're not knowledgeable of ancient societies at all with a comment like that.
The first thing you are doing is assuming that what you think is deviant, was always deviant. Your concept of deviant is basically coming from the Post-Enlightenment Anglosphere. Even though that might be a good thing, it doesn't change that completely different civilizations just have totally incompatible views on deviance.
Meanwhile, Ancient Greece's pederasty was so prevalent, it is likely the very origin for Afghanistan's "Bacha Bazi". The Ottomans were well known for their harems, and also their Jannisaries who were groomed as children. Mohammed married a 9 year old and fucked her when she was 12. Sulla was married, but probably had a gay lover, and Alexander was almost certainly gay himself. Sparta was so god damned gay they endangered their own population growth rate, and created the most infamously resentful women in history. Islam is still littered with homosexual activity that is excused for any plethora of silly rationalizations including (and I've literally heard both of these): "Women are for children; men are for pleasure", and the infamous "Man Love Thursday" where it's okay because the holy day is tomorrow so I guess it doesn't count or something? The term for hermaphrodite originates from Greece (again, seeing a bit of a pattern here), and these types of, well, mutants, were seen as having been touched by deities. They were more oddities than "evil".
Even in Medieval Europe, gays wouldn't have just been executed, they were actually just ostracized to live in the equivalent of a Lepper Colony, because they very likely had an STD already.
They have made that illegal in many places.
Well that’s just my wishful thinking.
Well, you are lucky to live where you do, if I remember correctly, because that is one of the saner places.
There were a few civilizations that kinda did that "gender is just a state of mind bro" shit, but these are the same civilizations that thought slave labor was ok and that gods and whatnot controlled the earth.
To you it's deviant, and to me it's deviant, but I hate to play the cultural relativism card, but back then a lot of fucked up shit we now consider illegal or deviant was 'accepted'.
So yes, this shit existed back then, but that didn't make it ok. Using that fucker's logic, child marriage was also accepted back then, should we allow that too?
Why can't more people do the "You know, back then it did exist, but that doesn't excuse it being allowed now" state of mind. What's it with leftists always trying to asspull-reach their way back a hundred or a thousand years to excuse shit ideology and shit behaviors?
I agree. I never understood the logic that it happened in the past so it’s ok.
They're just projecting their perversions onto ancient people. The idea that others aren't motivated by degenerate fetishes like they are is beyond their imagination.
This sums it up well, I think.
As an actual historian who can read both obscure and ancient languages, I can concur.
This poster has no dick.
They'll just go back and make shit up. Like I.coulda sworn people were calling Jeanne d'arc trans a while back
Transgenderism didn't exist. However, autogynaphillia, gender dysphoria patients, and hermaphrodites did exist. None of it was morphed into an Leftist ideology.
Ok so given the fact that no one can actually switch genders. There have been places and times where men have been dressed up like women, or women dressed like men. Those highly culturally specific moments may or may not align with our idea of trans.
Fact, there's nothing new under the sun sexually. If you're talking about wearing this outfit or that and putting your dick in this part or that. All that's been figured out since antiquity.
So my verdict is: partially true
But isn’t it still a man who thinks he is a woman? A trans person is essentially someone who believes they are what they are not. So there have always been people with all sorts of mental issues. In her old age my grandmother had all sorts of mental issues. We never affirmed them of course. Now if a man is happy pretending to be a woman fine, I guess I’m just tired of this push to ignore reality
It is a staple of psychology that you are never to affirm delusions that someone has.
Unless backed by a powerful lobby. Then it is mandatory.
Ha! Sounds like a Confucius saying. Although it’s true today
Hey now, give some credit to the entire industry of relationship counseling. Whose entire existence requires affirming the delusions of women.
Well you have done some research. I know hermaphrodites have both sex organs. I’d put that in a different category than someone who believes they are something else or it’s a mental issue. But I wouldn’t date a “trans woman” because they aren’t real women. I get they believe they are but I’ll always believe there are men and women. Now you get hermaphroditism which happens but that is a real thing. I guess I’m just skeptical about the faddish nature of trans and non binary. But I still stick with the fact that if a man believes he is a woman then there is some mental imbalance. Doesn’t make him a bad person because we all have mental issues to a degree at some point in life.
I do appreciate the breakdown
Those look to be about eunuchs and not trans. I think we can finally agree on one thing on the trans issue, "trans women" are eunuchs - castrated men.
Although those article pictures do not mention if it is something do to a mental illness or regular eunuchs - men being castrated to serve some purposes sometimes watching over women, sometimes keeping taxes - not sure why that was a thing, sometimes just slaves.
Either way I do not care, I'll drink to finding middle ground. Cheers.
And you know they became eunuchs because they thought they were women how, exactly?
I doubt that the treatment was cutting off their dicks. The process of making eunuchs was for a long time for different reasons outside mental illness. Since neither of those articles mention that the eunuchs became eunuchs because they wanted, is not exactly a good correlation. I don't doubt gender dysphoria was a thing even back then, I just don't think that people would go above dressing as a woman, and even then they most likely would not do to a social stigma. The big question is how much of the modern day is making more trans people. All this lying to people that they are actual the opposite gender, encouraging kids to experiment, redefying what gender is so that it becomes nothing, puberty blocks, treating trans people as something great and virtues and an overall sick society with no moral compass has an impact in to creating more mentally ill people.
There a few things that need to be established:
So if it is unhealthy for you from all points of view to be trans then, as a society, we should do all in our power to prevent it. I don't have a problem with adults cutting off their dicks and claiming they are women, I have a problem with confusing kids in to this sick, monstrous ideologically motivated illness. Also I should not be required to pretend that trans women are women.
Damn, if that isn't a spot on description of trannies, I don't know what is. On the other hand, nobody in antiquity thought that eunuchs were women, not the eunuchs themselves.
As far as my understanding on eunuchs has ever gone, they don't consider themselves women, they know they are men who cut their balls off.
I've never even heard of them being used for sex, though I can believe it happened.
Eunuchs?? LOL 🤣
What is the tweet that attached these?
Now we know why Constantine was called Constantine the Great. But I see someone in the comments already made that joke (not really a joke).
Did you know they are trying to make 'eunuch' into a gender identity?
Just how much longer can a 'civilization' based on such sickness survive?